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the smoke radio

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for the masses headline additional july

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8 1947

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the army air force's has announced that

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a flying bist has been found and is now

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in the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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from outside this world

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you are listening to fade to black with

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good evening feed the block

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this spoke radio

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masses yeah

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how you doing today is tuesday june 15

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2021

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167 days into the new year

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only 198 days left we are live from a

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bunker

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somewhere in the middle of nowhere

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a total undisclosed location but it

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is beautiful that's right

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i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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heather and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down

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east and west north and south far and

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this is fade to block for kjcr the game

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changer network and kg r

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a the planets i'm yours jimmy church

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yeah what a great week on the show three

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first-time guests last night james

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keenan tonight

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nk crandall

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very excited about the show tonight she

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her 10 years of experiencer research

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trauma ptsd we're going to go through

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all of that

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tonight very excited very timely topic

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everything else that is going on

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very excited about this conversation i

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spent a week with nk

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very cool very bright very smart

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feet are on the ground and she

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is she is in it she is in it to win it

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with this ufo community and uh very

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excited about tonight's show

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and then tomorrow night trey hudson is

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another first time guest and tomorrow

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night we're going to talk about

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the meadow his book is called the meadow

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project

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the links are over at

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jimmychurchradio.com you can head

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straight over to amazon and check that

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we will discuss the meadow tomorrow

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night last night blind frog ranch

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oh wow great show james uh james keenan

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incredible researcher and uh something's

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going on up at blind frog tonight

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and k tomorrow night trey hudson then

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thursday night

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for now is another fader night with open

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all night long all right

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what do we do now everybody wants their

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get your first get your next add

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the einstein the crystal skull website

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is right there click on it the promo

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code is

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jimmy and you will get 10 off of your

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crystal skull order today so go and

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visit carolyn ford she has the very best

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you can follow me on twitter that's

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at j church radio come and hang out with

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doing that all week we had a great time

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man ronnie dawson that's a that's a cool

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dude right there that's cool dude great

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so but uh we'll have ronnie on the show

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next week but if you want to see all of

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uh just head over follow me on twitter

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it's right there in my feed

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i've been busting out four at a time

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myself and rick dodie backstage

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that's right richard dodie right there

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of um i think there's two here

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i didn't do the other one

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i went out on stage i did this a few

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with uh dolan did it with danny and

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them they're up there speaking

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and take a selfie right there's supposed

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to be no pictures no video no nothing

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watched honor hello honor how you doing

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honor got lucky with that but you can

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at j church radio okay

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lou's call but at that moment i'm on my

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right here uh talking to lou but look at

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anyway it's a great picture dodie i

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don't think believes what's going on

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and you look at sid goldberg he's like

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man church right

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it's a great pick but you can see all of

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over on my twitter feed at j church

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lots to get to tonight

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a team of archaeologists from hebrew

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made a rare discovery when they

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incredible go and check out that story

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nasa nasa back in the news always in the

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news lately but nasa

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missions to the international space

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station as part of the agency's efforts

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to open space to more people than ever

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with these opportunities the u.s

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play an essential role in establishing

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a sustained presence in low earth orbit

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the first targeted flight opportunity

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check this out proposals are due in like

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friday july 9th nasa will host a

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pre-proposers conference

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on tuesday june 22nd today

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now uh i'm gonna i'm gonna leave you

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with this

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it's pretty incredible it's kind of

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like seriously according to a new study

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maori voyages to the southernmost

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there in the early 19th century

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according to research published this

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week

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in the journal of the royal society of

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new zealand

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the first confirmed sighting of mainland

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antarctica

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has long been attributed to the russian

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expedition back in 1820 we all know

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about that

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and the first record of a person

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stepping on to

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antarctica is credited to an american

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explorer

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in 1821 but now it appears that the

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maori

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beat that by around

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1300 years

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incredible history has now been changed

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let's get this show cracking

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happy birthday to today ice cube

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ice cube today 51 years old

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what's ice cubes best record now listen

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if i have my top 10 albums right of all

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time

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top ten don't know what they are but if

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i'm gonna go down my

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top ten ice cube

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death certificate is on that

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list that's all i gotta say no vaseline

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ice cube today is 51 courtney cutwell in

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the movie friday

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by the way courtney cox today is 56

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still looking great

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neil patrick harris is 47 slade

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singer and guitarist noddy holder today

321
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is 75

322
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you thought quiet riot did it first with

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come on feel the noise that's noddy

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holder's song

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that's right that is a slayed song night

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rangers brad gillis

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today is 64. and queens reich

328
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drumming god scott rockingfield today

329
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is 58. scott remember when he had his

330
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drum set

331
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his drum stands were welded chains

332
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remember that i mean it was like the

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coolest thing

334
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ever scott rockenfeld man he's just a

335
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great drummer

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our dead guy's birthday today is check

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it

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you ready lisa dell

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giacondo that's right

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1479 to 1542 died at the age of 63 and i

341
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know what you're saying to yourself

342
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right now you're saying

343
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jimmy who is lisa delgiacondo

344
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well she is the lisa

345
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of leonardo da vinci's masterpiece

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painting

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the mona lisa her portrait was

348
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commissioned

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by her husband during the italian

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renaissance in the 16th

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century she grew up in florence and she

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was the eldest of seven children

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the mona lisa name of her portrait was

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derived from writings done by

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giorgio vasari when he wrote in 1850

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quote

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leonardo undertook to paint for

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francisco del giacondo

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the portrait of mona lisa his wife

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lisa fell ill and was taken to her by

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her daughter

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to the convent of sant orsula where she

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died on july 15 1542

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at the age of 63. happy birthday lisa

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incredible story on this day in history

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otd 2006

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the remote island of spitsbergen

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halfway between mainland norway and the

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north pole

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the prime ministers of norway sweden

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finland denmark

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laid the first stone of the global seed

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vault

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on this day in 2006.

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fader fact in 1963

376
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george blonsky patented a table

377
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that used a centrifugal force

378
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to assist in childbirth that's right

379
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the mother would be strapped down and

380
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spun

381
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at a high speed right

382
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until everything just well you know

383
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popped out

384
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i'm going to leave it right there that

385
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is your fader fact tonight we have very

386
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special guest nk cranda

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we're good see

388
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15.

389
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in the middle of the show i'm getting a

390
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text and if i don't uh respond to this

391
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text

392
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what do i do what is she thinking i

393
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don't know

394
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so maybe radio nk are you listening to

395
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the show

396
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right now would you like me to text

397
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again

398
00:18:19,950 --> 00:18:12,630
river moon coffee that's what i need

399
00:18:25,750 --> 00:18:22,150
rivermoonwellness.com

400
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yeah i cracked a joke years ago

401
00:18:29,190 --> 00:18:28,160
on the air it caused all this all these

402
00:18:31,590 --> 00:18:29,200
issues

403
00:18:33,510 --> 00:18:31,600
5 000 emails i'm not kidding it was i

404
00:18:36,950 --> 00:18:33,520
think the number is 5 000.

405
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um played a marvin gaye song i was on

406
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coast to coast

407
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and i come back off of that man i'm like

408
00:18:43,669 --> 00:18:42,000
man what's going

409
00:18:45,270 --> 00:18:43,679
on marvin gaye it's an amazing song but

410
00:18:47,909 --> 00:18:45,280
most people don't know

411
00:18:49,350 --> 00:18:47,919
marvin gaye was sick that day gave me a

412
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call he said jimmy

413
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can you come in and sing for me i said

414
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yeah marvin i'm there

415
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and uh and i'm speaking in my normal

416
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radio voice i'm like so i went in and

417
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and saying what's going on and and

418
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the ema the thick people believed it

419
00:19:10,950 --> 00:19:09,600
that was the last time i cracked that

420
00:19:13,270 --> 00:19:10,960
joke

421
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i'm like listen to my voice does it

422
00:19:18,789 --> 00:19:15,600
sound to you

423
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like i like i can sing

424
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at all i can't i can't i'm gonna sing

425
00:19:27,029 --> 00:19:24,080
what's going on by

426
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marvin gaye maybe a barry white song i

427
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could probably go in and do some berry i

428
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could i could do some berry

429
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i could do some berry

430
00:19:40,150 --> 00:19:38,160
river moon coffee river moonwellness.com

431
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coming up at the bottom of the hour nk

432
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cranda stay right there

433
00:19:48,070 --> 00:19:44,480
right now i've got something to say

434
00:19:55,830 --> 00:19:52,230
all right i need you to stay with me

435
00:19:59,750 --> 00:19:55,840
because here is something to think about

436
00:20:05,990 --> 00:20:04,230
today if you think of a crazy new

437
00:20:10,070 --> 00:20:06,000
electronic gadget

438
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:10,080
think of something you just get it built

439
00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:12,720
you can contract any number of companies

440
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:14,320
who can take your idea

441
00:20:20,950 --> 00:20:18,240
the design then design it for you

442
00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:20,960
right get you all of your electronic

443
00:20:24,470 --> 00:20:21,760
components

444
00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:24,480
the chips the circuit boards design it

445
00:20:28,070 --> 00:20:25,840
design the housing

446
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:28,080
make it look cool and get you a

447
00:20:33,430 --> 00:20:29,520
prototype

448
00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:33,440
for whatever you want in a week

449
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:35,360
it's done whatever you want to do you

450
00:20:39,110 --> 00:20:36,720
want to make one of these you want to

451
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:39,120
make one of these

452
00:20:47,590 --> 00:20:43,200
simple it's easy it's easy

453
00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:47,600
got to pay for it manufacturing is ready

454
00:20:51,830 --> 00:20:50,000
after that prototype is done when you

455
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place the order

456
00:21:00,310 --> 00:20:57,039
it's that simple this type of tech

457
00:21:02,710 --> 00:21:00,320
is built on layers of progress that have

458
00:21:04,710 --> 00:21:02,720
happened over the last hundred years

459
00:21:05,909 --> 00:21:04,720
graham bell and edison all the way

460
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through jobs and

461
00:21:12,310 --> 00:21:09,200
gates and to the point that high tech

462
00:21:14,310 --> 00:21:12,320
now seems pretty easy and it is

463
00:21:15,750 --> 00:21:14,320
computers can be slapped together in an

464
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afternoon right there in your living

465
00:21:18,310 --> 00:21:16,400
room

466
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:18,320
with you doing the work with

467
00:21:21,270 --> 00:21:20,559
off-the-shelf parts that are available

468
00:21:24,310 --> 00:21:21,280
everywhere

469
00:21:25,029 --> 00:21:24,320
right well of course we know this seems

470
00:21:28,830 --> 00:21:25,039
obvious

471
00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:28,840
seems simple because it is

472
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:33,280
now i want you to think about this

473
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:36,400
we've just come off a 16-month worldwide

474
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pandemic

475
00:21:46,149 --> 00:21:44,320
so we know all about that

476
00:21:47,430 --> 00:21:46,159
forget about the horror films of the

477
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past

478
00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:49,360
this time around we actually lived

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through stephen king's the stand

480
00:21:56,830 --> 00:21:54,000
well you know albeit a little smaller in

481
00:22:00,789 --> 00:21:56,840
scale but you get the drift

482
00:22:02,549 --> 00:22:00,799
anyway so just put these two thoughts

483
00:22:04,549 --> 00:22:02,559
together for a second put these two

484
00:22:07,029 --> 00:22:04,559
thoughts together for a moment and think

485
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:07,039
about this

486
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:10,960
what if every engineer

487
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and software designer in the world

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00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:22,230
dead due to a virus

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the software 19.

490
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how long would it take us as a species

491
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seriously i mean really think about this

492
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for a second

493
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if we had to start over from

494
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in this thought problem i

495
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i do i know all about computers

496
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:04,480
i know about cell phones i know what

497
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they are i can type in a gps address in

498
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my car in about 10 seconds

499
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you know i think i know tech

500
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:17,360
but i can't build tech i can't design

501
00:23:24,470 --> 00:23:21,600
tech you could give me a factory with

502
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all of the materials needed

503
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:26,799
but you ain't getting an iphone out of

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me anytime soon in fact

505
00:23:32,390 --> 00:23:31,440
it ain't ever gonna happen ever it's not

506
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gonna happen

507
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the path that got us to where we are

508
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today

509
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:40,720
involved the minds of millions of people

510
00:23:45,110 --> 00:23:42,799
not two or three individuals it wasn't

511
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just edison and tesla

512
00:23:50,230 --> 00:23:48,840
it wasn't alexander graham bell it

513
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wasn't

514
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it was millions of minds thinking

515
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through

516
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hundreds of millions of problems and

517
00:24:01,110 --> 00:23:57,919
issues

518
00:24:06,310 --> 00:24:01,120
every single day

519
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:06,320
for a hundred years to build the layers

520
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:11,120
of intelligence that we have right now

521
00:24:17,590 --> 00:24:14,320
now if that intelligence is removed

522
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:17,600
and all that we have left

523
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:20,559
it's seven billion people who have no

524
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:23,279
idea how to do anything technical

525
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:26,640
we're toast toast

526
00:24:30,870 --> 00:24:29,279
if the seven billion people left on the

527
00:24:33,110 --> 00:24:30,880
planet

528
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:33,120
right and and if you think about this

529
00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:34,159
those seven

530
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:37,360
billion people still know what a cell

531
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:38,640
phone is

532
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:42,880
of course you know but trust me my mom

533
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:45,039
isn't building one with her friends over

534
00:24:52,710 --> 00:24:47,120
at the house

535
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,190
for probably another hundred years

536
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:59,510
now right now i'm using computers and

537
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:01,679
cell phones as an example

538
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:04,960
but it applies to absolutely everything

539
00:25:12,390 --> 00:25:07,520
today because chipsets

540
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,400
make your clothes they cook your food

541
00:25:15,830 --> 00:25:14,159
and they make sure that your car starts

542
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:15,840
in the morning

543
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:19,360
in fact today's modern automobile can

544
00:25:22,870 --> 00:25:19,679
have

545
00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:22,880
up to wait for it up to

546
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:26,159
3 000 chips

547
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:29,279
that's right in 1970

548
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:33,600
there were none in your car

549
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:38,080
zero now take away all the chips

550
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:39,919
take away the software designers take

551
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:41,600
away those engineers

552
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:43,600
the electronics engineers energy take

553
00:25:45,669 --> 00:25:45,039
away that because they just died in the

554
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:45,679
virus

555
00:25:51,269 --> 00:25:48,799
take away all of that in all of the

556
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:51,279
planes the trains the automobiles

557
00:25:57,990 --> 00:25:55,520
everything is grounded useless

558
00:25:59,909 --> 00:25:58,000
never to be started again not for

559
00:26:02,950 --> 00:25:59,919
another hundred years

560
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:02,960
if we're lucky so yeah

561
00:26:12,470 --> 00:26:07,279
i used i used an imaginary

562
00:26:16,549 --> 00:26:14,630
it could happen though it could happen

563
00:26:18,310 --> 00:26:16,559
man they're probably designing it right

564
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:18,320
now but anyway

565
00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:21,600
but it could be a gnarly emp

566
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:25,200
it could it could be a nasty computer

567
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:26,559
virus that wipes out

568
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:29,440
every operating system on earth and it

569
00:26:34,070 --> 00:26:30,480
could happen

570
00:26:36,310 --> 00:26:34,080
there is some deranged fool right now

571
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:36,320
trying to do it i guarantee you man in

572
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his mom's basement

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in russia just just jeff man i'm going

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to take it all down man

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and he's just coding away i'm telling

576
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you

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and if any of that happens any of it

578
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it will make the 2020 covid pandemic

579
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seem like a short day trip to six flags

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for an afternoon of roller coasters and

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churros

582
00:27:04,870 --> 00:27:02,880
i'm being very serious you remember when

583
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i spoke about this five or six years ago

584
00:27:08,789 --> 00:27:06,960
on the show and i said hey

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what would happen if i just wake up in

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the morning i go downstairs and i'm

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making my coffee and my coffee machine

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doesn't turn on

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and i'm just noticing that the house is

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a little bit quiet

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and my electricity isn't on oh i didn't

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pay my electric bill

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it was there a car accident down the

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street what happened to my electricity

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and then i find out

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that it's all down how

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quickly how quickly from that moment of

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me finding out that i got no coffee

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to pandemonium in the streets real

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pandemonium people looking for food

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people pounding at my door armed and

602
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dangerous

603
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:48,880
right no communication no news no

604
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nothing no electricity

605
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no food no shipments coming in logistics

606
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shut down

607
00:28:02,310 --> 00:27:57,760
ah think about that right

608
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:02,320
think about that it's crazy and now

609
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:04,640
back to my point before i get to nk

610
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:05,440
cranda

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back to my point we just came off of a

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pandemic

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we know that the possibilities

614
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are now real think about that this is

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faded black i

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am your host jimmy church tonight right

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here on this very program

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n.k cranda it's going to be a great

619
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:27,440
night another first time guest tomorrow

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night trey hudson is here

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another first time guest and allegedly

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right now

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thursday is going to be fader night with

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open lines all night long

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on the game changer network and kgra

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the planet i'm your host jimmy church

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follow me right now on twitter at j

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church radio i'm going to get nk

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in here and i'm going to go see what's

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happening over there

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on youtube troublemakers right now i'll

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be right back after this short break

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stay with us

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[Music]

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your father's radio show on the game

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changer radio network and kgra

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the planet hi this is rob reiner from

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and you're listening to

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jimmychurchradio.com

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what's up chris what up this jimmy

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church radio

745
00:33:59,350 --> 00:33:57,830
all right welcome back fade to black i

746
00:34:02,389 --> 00:33:59,360
am your host jimmy church

747
00:34:05,190 --> 00:34:02,399
on the game changer network and kg r a

748
00:34:06,710 --> 00:34:05,200
the planet tonight nk cranda is here

749
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:06,720
first time guest tomorrow night trey

750
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:07,200
hudson

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00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:09,359
another first time guest it's going to

752
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be a

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00:34:14,069 --> 00:34:12,560
just a great awesome week here on the

754
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show welcome to everybody listening

755
00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:15,599
around the world

756
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:18,320
now uh this is the deal tonight we are

757
00:34:21,270 --> 00:34:20,480
going to explore the culmination of her

758
00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:21,280
10 years of

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00:34:25,510 --> 00:34:23,839
private research into experiences and

760
00:34:27,990 --> 00:34:25,520
the effects of trauma

761
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:28,000
on the human brain and k went to school

762
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for horticulture sciences and graduated

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with the highest of honors

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she then continued her education in the

765
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fields of psychology ptsd and trauma

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therapies art biology

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uh physics and history and shamanism she

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currently works in experience of

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research and preservation

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and has the honor of interviewing some

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of the most incredible people in the

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field

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and this is the deal her interest in

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contacting experiencers

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began when she volunteered as a mufon

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chapter secretary

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00:35:00,790 --> 00:34:59,119
in san antonio texas after writing way

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too many reports she found that her true

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interests were in the people

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00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:04,320
that quietly came to the meetings to

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00:35:09,109 --> 00:35:06,320
tell an incredible story tonight we're

782
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:09,119
going to go through all of that with nk

783
00:35:12,630 --> 00:35:10,560
and i would like to welcome for the

784
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:12,640
first time to fade to black n.k cranda

785
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:15,440
and kay good evening how are you hello

786
00:35:19,270 --> 00:35:16,000
sir

787
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:19,280
oh speak up oh i'm sorry yeah there you

788
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:19,920
go

789
00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:22,960
relaxed

790
00:35:27,349 --> 00:35:24,880
we need to hear you we i need to hear

791
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:27,359
the nk that i hung out with all week

792
00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:30,480
but um get psyched yeah yeah you do

793
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:32,800
now this is the deal uh you're uh a

794
00:35:37,190 --> 00:35:34,320
first-time guest that means

795
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:37,200
you get the first time guest disclaimer

796
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:38,480
it's simple and it

797
00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:41,359
is this nk this is just you and i

798
00:35:45,109 --> 00:35:42,800
sitting on my couch

799
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:45,119
having a conversation as friends and

800
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:46,800
where that conversation starts it starts

801
00:35:50,069 --> 00:35:48,320
where it ends it ends

802
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:50,079
but we're gonna end his friends there

803
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:51,920
you go you ready

804
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:54,880
okay all right all right we're all ready

805
00:35:59,030 --> 00:35:56,320
friends but

806
00:36:01,349 --> 00:35:59,040
um i i want to start here because i'm

807
00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:01,359
introducing you to the audience uh

808
00:36:07,030 --> 00:36:05,040
for the first time and i want you to

809
00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:07,040
tell us a little bit about you how you

810
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:08,160
got into this

811
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:10,960
uh where did you grow up and the obvious

812
00:36:15,510 --> 00:36:12,079
question

813
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,520
is did you you know were your parents uh

814
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:17,280
you know on the straight and narrow or

815
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:19,359
were they just a little bit strange and

816
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:21,040
did you have a crazy aunt

817
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:23,040
that you know did ouija boards and stuff

818
00:36:28,150 --> 00:36:25,680
like that tell us about that

819
00:36:29,750 --> 00:36:28,160
actually no no crazy ants no ouija

820
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:29,760
boards um

821
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:32,880
i had a pretty unhappy childhood so

822
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:34,960
i was very imaginative i was very much

823
00:36:39,829 --> 00:36:37,040
in my own head my parents really didn't

824
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:39,839
care about me that much so i actually

825
00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:41,200
ended up getting adopted by

826
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:43,040
a really awesome couple when i was in

827
00:36:46,310 --> 00:36:44,240
high school and

828
00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,320
they came to the uh they came to the

829
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:48,480
presentation they were in the front row

830
00:36:52,230 --> 00:36:51,119
is that right did you introduce me to

831
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:52,240
them

832
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:54,560
i don't remember okay all right but i

833
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:55,760
met your daughter

834
00:36:59,430 --> 00:36:57,839
i did meet your daughter yes and uh

835
00:37:01,030 --> 00:36:59,440
great pictures with her by the way she's

836
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:01,040
totally awesome

837
00:37:06,470 --> 00:37:04,720
her a really cool

838
00:37:08,230 --> 00:37:06,480
fade to black tank top she can wear as a

839
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:08,240
dress and it looked great on her

840
00:37:11,589 --> 00:37:10,240
she gave it up gave it to you i was like

841
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:11,599
what

842
00:37:14,710 --> 00:37:13,040
yeah i think i kind of surprised you

843
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:14,720
that morning when i put it on yeah that

844
00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:16,160
was uh that was pretty cool that was

845
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:18,240
pretty cool i i posted uh the pictures

846
00:37:22,230 --> 00:37:19,040
of that

847
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:22,240
but um so no high strangeness uh growing

848
00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:23,839
up

849
00:37:27,750 --> 00:37:25,760
um i did have a lot of paranormal

850
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:27,760
activity and i think that's because

851
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:30,720
um basically it was it was it was an

852
00:37:33,670 --> 00:37:31,839
abusive household i'm

853
00:37:35,510 --> 00:37:33,680
i'm not it doesn't bother me to talk

854
00:37:38,750 --> 00:37:35,520
about it but it was pretty traumatic

855
00:37:39,910 --> 00:37:38,760
and as a kid i actually would have um pk

856
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:39,920
manifestations

857
00:37:43,270 --> 00:37:42,079
and when i got really angry or i got

858
00:37:47,030 --> 00:37:43,280
really upset

859
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:47,040
stuff would move and i've just had

860
00:37:50,470 --> 00:37:49,200
so many near-death experiences that it's

861
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:50,480
just like either

862
00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:51,920
either i'm very lucky or i'm very

863
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:53,440
unlucky but somebody's definitely

864
00:37:57,589 --> 00:37:54,560
looking out for me

865
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:57,599
so pk what you know like uh are you

866
00:38:00,870 --> 00:37:58,240
talking

867
00:38:02,550 --> 00:38:00,880
like fire starter with steven spielberg

868
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,560
that kind of stuff

869
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:04,400
more like telekinesis basically where

870
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:06,400
you just have so much stress when you're

871
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:08,000
young that it can

872
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:10,640
exert itself in different ways uh

873
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,560
actually i have an experiencer that has

874
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:14,560
pk manifestations she got really

875
00:38:18,790 --> 00:38:17,040
um she got really angry at her guardian

876
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:18,800
one night and he woke up the next

877
00:38:22,470 --> 00:38:19,520
morning just

878
00:38:25,270 --> 00:38:22,480
covered in scratches and it looked like

879
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:25,280
she had kicked the crap out of it

880
00:38:32,230 --> 00:38:28,880
and uh was this something that

881
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:32,240
do you still have uh you know i i don't

882
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:33,359
know if you want to call it

883
00:38:38,790 --> 00:38:36,960
an ability but uh do you do you have

884
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:38,800
that ability today can you

885
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:42,400
can he make stuff move no not anymore

886
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:44,480
thankfully uh i don't think that it

887
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:46,320
would be very good to just break a

888
00:38:50,550 --> 00:38:47,839
window all of a sudden

889
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:50,560
yeah yeah at ufo megacon start moving

890
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:51,680
glasses around

891
00:38:56,310 --> 00:38:54,960
at the table at one of the uh dinners uh

892
00:38:58,870 --> 00:38:56,320
i don't know i don't know that might

893
00:39:01,589 --> 00:38:58,880
that might actually be pretty cool

894
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:01,599
but what about uh what about ufos how

895
00:39:05,990 --> 00:39:02,960
did that interest start

896
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:06,000
i know i know that you went to mufon and

897
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:08,079
and joined the organization but there

898
00:39:15,589 --> 00:39:09,839
was a reason why you went to mufon

899
00:39:17,190 --> 00:39:15,599
right did you see something

900
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:17,200
i mean i've seen i've been an

901
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:19,119
experiencer my entire life i really just

902
00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:20,000
didn't learn

903
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:23,440
what that was until i uh went to move on

904
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:24,960
but i was actually uh laying on the

905
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:26,320
couch one day when my daughter was

906
00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:28,320
taking a nap and i was watching

907
00:39:33,589 --> 00:39:30,960
youtube of top 10 most mysterious

908
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:33,599
disappearances in national parks

909
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:34,960
and that's where i learned about missing

910
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:37,599
4-1-1 and david paulides work

911
00:39:42,470 --> 00:39:40,560
and i figured out that he went to a

912
00:39:44,150 --> 00:39:42,480
mufon symposium and he was a muppon

913
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:44,160
investigator and i was like

914
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:45,440
maybe i can learn more about missing

915
00:39:49,910 --> 00:39:47,440
4-1-1 or like find some friends there

916
00:39:51,589 --> 00:39:49,920
so number one blame it on my daughter

917
00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:51,599
for making me tired and number two

918
00:39:54,630 --> 00:39:53,520
uh david paulides is really the reason

919
00:39:56,950 --> 00:39:54,640
why i do this work

920
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:56,960
now and you just mentioned uh quite

921
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:59,040
casually i might add that you

922
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:00,720
now know that you've been in an

923
00:40:05,510 --> 00:40:03,520
experiencer your whole life

924
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:05,520
when you're around other experiences

925
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:07,359
which we're going to be talking about

926
00:40:11,670 --> 00:40:09,839
for the rest of the evening but did that

927
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:11,680
stir some memories where you were like

928
00:40:15,910 --> 00:40:12,800
wait a minute here

929
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:15,920
that's feels familiar to me

930
00:40:20,790 --> 00:40:19,119
oh yeah um i i was uh

931
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:20,800
sitting in a meeting and it just it just

932
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:22,720
sounded like some people were talking

933
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:23,760
about me

934
00:40:28,470 --> 00:40:26,720
i just thought i was weird but the the

935
00:40:29,349 --> 00:40:28,480
stuff with the paranormal the making

936
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:29,359
things move

937
00:40:34,470 --> 00:40:32,079
uh you know experiencers tend to really

938
00:40:37,030 --> 00:40:34,480
mess with technology and electronics

939
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:37,040
right and you know i've killed so many

940
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:37,520
mics

941
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:39,520
i can't be close to radios because i'll

942
00:40:42,230 --> 00:40:41,280
set them off i'll set off fire alarms if

943
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:42,240
i'm really stressed

944
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:44,880
um so yeah it was it was a humbling

945
00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:46,880
experience to get to talk to the people

946
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:50,560
so and uh do you have

947
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:54,160
uh did you do any regression therapy

948
00:40:57,910 --> 00:40:57,520
no i did not okay um but these memories

949
00:41:01,349 --> 00:40:57,920
as

950
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:01,359
they are coming back um what did

951
00:41:06,309 --> 00:41:03,520
what did they involve and now you you

952
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:06,319
interview experiencers all the time

953
00:41:13,349 --> 00:41:09,680
but did you have any contact did you

954
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:13,359
did you meet um uh any

955
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:16,480
you know tell me about that

956
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:18,960
so my experiences range from anywhere

957
00:41:23,910 --> 00:41:20,560
from near-death experiences

958
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:23,920
to what i think was a

959
00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:27,280
um an abductee event

960
00:41:32,829 --> 00:41:30,560
i can't be sure but i was in albuquerque

961
00:41:34,309 --> 00:41:32,839
new mexico i was in a hotel room with my

962
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:34,319
daughter and i

963
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:36,880
i had a sleep paralysis and i i woke up

964
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:38,800
but the room was very dark

965
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:40,720
and something grabbed me by my arm and

966
00:41:43,589 --> 00:41:41,839
dragged me

967
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:43,599
out of the bed and i felt my feet hit

968
00:41:46,630 --> 00:41:44,880
the floor

969
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:46,640
and then that's it and then i woke up in

970
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:48,400
bed the next morning

971
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:51,760
yeah that sounds like a physical

972
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,520
experience did you see anything

973
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:57,599
i don't know i don't remember i don't

974
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:59,040
think i really want to remember it oh

975
00:42:03,670 --> 00:41:59,520
yeah

976
00:42:04,870 --> 00:42:03,680
about that a million times i've had some

977
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:04,880
things

978
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:06,880
strange happen to me but i'm just gonna

979
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:08,480
leave them there

980
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:12,400
i'm cool with what i know

981
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:15,359
right that part of the experience as

982
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:17,200
crazy as it was

983
00:42:21,670 --> 00:42:20,800
um is is fine i'm fine with that and i

984
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:21,680
think so many

985
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:24,319
are like yourself where they don't

986
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:26,000
necessarily

987
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:28,480
have the need or the emotional need to

988
00:42:31,829 --> 00:42:29,520
go back

989
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:31,839
and explore some of these experiences

990
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:33,599
maybe they just want to leave it right

991
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:35,440
there and they're fine with that

992
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:37,520
have you heard that from uh other

993
00:42:43,030 --> 00:42:39,599
experiencers

994
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:43,040
yes and uh to be honest i do encourage

995
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:44,160
it because your brain

996
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:46,880
its only job is to keep you safe and it

997
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:49,200
blocks out those things for a reason you

998
00:42:52,470 --> 00:42:49,599
know

999
00:42:54,069 --> 00:42:52,480
um that's why i i warn so many people

1000
00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:54,079
about hypnotic regression i'm like

1001
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:55,920
are you really prepared to know

1002
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:58,400
everything and open the floodgates to

1003
00:43:01,750 --> 00:43:00,640
what could possibly be a lot of trauma

1004
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:01,760
and uh

1005
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:03,280
some people want to go through it anyway

1006
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:04,800
and they just have to know and then some

1007
00:43:07,430 --> 00:43:05,280
people

1008
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:07,440
um they're content to just kind of tell

1009
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:08,720
me the details and

1010
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:10,240
we can we can actually remember quite a

1011
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:12,079
lot just going over the experience

1012
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:14,880
but yeah i've never been regressed i

1013
00:43:18,390 --> 00:43:16,880
don't want to

1014
00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:18,400
and if i was going to it would have to

1015
00:43:23,750 --> 00:43:20,480
be with a professional

1016
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:23,760
now what was it like to get involved

1017
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:25,520
with mufon

1018
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:29,520
and to go to the meetings and to hear

1019
00:43:34,150 --> 00:43:31,520
from so many different people different

1020
00:43:37,349 --> 00:43:34,160
walks of life different backgrounds

1021
00:43:38,150 --> 00:43:37,359
and and and hear what they wanted to

1022
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:38,160
share what was

1023
00:43:43,030 --> 00:43:41,200
what was that like for you personally

1024
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:43,040
so for me personally i found it to be a

1025
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,720
very frustrating experience

1026
00:43:48,390 --> 00:43:46,720
and this is actually what started me

1027
00:43:49,750 --> 00:43:48,400
with the preservation stuff

1028
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:49,760
because i was just talking to people

1029
00:43:55,510 --> 00:43:52,640
initially but people would come into

1030
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:55,520
my particular mufon chapter they would

1031
00:44:00,710 --> 00:43:56,960
be given a mic

1032
00:44:02,230 --> 00:44:00,720
um you know very traumatic very scary

1033
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:02,240
experiences and you know they're

1034
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:04,160
essentially stage fright like shaking

1035
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:05,839
trying to talk about it

1036
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:07,520
and people were interrupting them people

1037
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:09,119
were asking them questions people were

1038
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:11,520
just being very judgmental and rude

1039
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:13,839
so i started staying after the meetings

1040
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:15,280
and i was like look if you

1041
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:17,119
if you want to talk like i'll stay late

1042
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:18,560
for you and um

1043
00:44:21,829 --> 00:44:20,160
that's how i found an original rental

1044
00:44:23,510 --> 00:44:21,839
shim experiencer that no one had ever

1045
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:23,520
talked to before like they just didn't

1046
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:25,680
talk to them it was insane

1047
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:29,280
and uh now you're right about the stage

1048
00:44:31,829 --> 00:44:30,160
fright

1049
00:44:33,349 --> 00:44:31,839
and you're up in front of other people

1050
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:33,359
nobody is comfortable

1051
00:44:37,349 --> 00:44:35,280
with that well i am i just give me a

1052
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:37,359
microphone i'm ready to go but

1053
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:40,640
but others really they freeze up

1054
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:42,800
and so you're listening to somebody

1055
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:44,480
maybe speaking there in front of the

1056
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:45,520
crowd

1057
00:44:48,790 --> 00:44:48,319
um uh you know in front of the chapter

1058
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:48,800
and then

1059
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:51,040
afterwards when you're alone two

1060
00:44:56,710 --> 00:44:53,760
different situations probably

1061
00:44:58,150 --> 00:44:56,720
yeah and and what's that like i mean do

1062
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:58,160
they just open up and

1063
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:01,839
it just comes flooding out uh sometimes

1064
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:03,680
they can be very open and want to talk

1065
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:05,599
about it other times it can kind of be

1066
00:45:09,030 --> 00:45:07,520
slow to get started but once they

1067
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:09,040
realize that

1068
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:11,359
i'm not there to use them or abuse them

1069
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:13,280
and i'm very gentle with the way i speak

1070
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:14,880
to people i'm very validating

1071
00:45:19,670 --> 00:45:18,480
and eventually it does start to come out

1072
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:19,680
and i want to make sure they honor

1073
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,240
themselves because they survived

1074
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:24,000
it can be a pretty activating event for

1075
00:45:26,390 --> 00:45:25,680
them they can a lot of the times they

1076
00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:26,400
start to cry

1077
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:27,920
like i always offer to give them hugs if

1078
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:30,240
they're comfortable with hugs

1079
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:31,920
some people it's just a very casual

1080
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:33,359
story and then i never see them again

1081
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:34,240
and then other people

1082
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:37,440
i've actually made lifelong friends and

1083
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:39,359
there's there's another component to

1084
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:41,839
this nk which is

1085
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:45,440
the ufo community people are drawn to it

1086
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:47,440
because of their own personal

1087
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:49,760
experiences and their own reasons

1088
00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:50,880
right they're they're out there

1089
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:52,880
searching for answers uh

1090
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:54,400
the people that listen to this show

1091
00:45:58,069 --> 00:45:56,160
they're here for their own

1092
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:58,079
personal reasons and everybody's a

1093
00:46:01,349 --> 00:45:59,520
little bit different

1094
00:46:03,630 --> 00:46:01,359
but you find out something in the ufo

1095
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:03,640
community that

1096
00:46:08,470 --> 00:46:06,720
sometimes they their version of the

1097
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:08,480
story is the only one that they want to

1098
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:09,599
listen to

1099
00:46:14,470 --> 00:46:12,720
and yeah and and they are right and

1100
00:46:16,230 --> 00:46:14,480
everybody else is wrong

1101
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:16,240
when this should be a community of just

1102
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:18,000
open communicate

1103
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,440
when you think about what we're talking

1104
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:21,359
about and what brings us here

1105
00:46:26,230 --> 00:46:23,359
you would think it would just be

1106
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:26,240
openness and oneness and fun

1107
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:29,280
and it's not that most of the time and

1108
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:29,920
then

1109
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:33,920
the the uh uh what happens because of

1110
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:34,640
that

1111
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:36,800
is people don't talk people don't want

1112
00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:38,000
to get embarrassed

1113
00:46:41,670 --> 00:46:39,760
people don't want to get attacked and

1114
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:41,680
they end up keeping the stuff inside of

1115
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:43,280
themselves which

1116
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:45,680
causes more trauma now we're in that

1117
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:46,640
catch-22

1118
00:46:49,990 --> 00:46:49,440
cycle aren't we yeah is that what you're

1119
00:46:53,109 --> 00:46:50,000
finding

1120
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:53,119
yeah even the infighting and just

1121
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:55,359
ufology just

1122
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:57,680
i despise it i just wish that you know

1123
00:47:00,470 --> 00:46:58,960
now that we're getting serious attention

1124
00:47:01,190 --> 00:47:00,480
we're getting serious disclosure we're

1125
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:01,200
getting

1126
00:47:05,430 --> 00:47:03,599
you know um we're being put on valid

1127
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:05,440
news sites and things like that

1128
00:47:09,990 --> 00:47:08,240
like they still just can't knock it off

1129
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:10,000
for the good of the experiencers and for

1130
00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:11,760
the good of the field it's

1131
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:15,040
that's why i work alone it's probably a

1132
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:16,079
good idea

1133
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:18,800
and then talk about uh you know cause

1134
00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:20,160
and effect

1135
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:23,359
now that all of these subjects about

1136
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:26,720
uh ufos and what may or may not be going

1137
00:47:29,670 --> 00:47:28,480
on inside of our own government in the

1138
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:29,680
military

1139
00:47:37,109 --> 00:47:33,920
which brings in the media uh

1140
00:47:40,549 --> 00:47:37,119
60 minutes right we've got it it's

1141
00:47:42,390 --> 00:47:40,559
everywhere now so these experiencers are

1142
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:42,400
going to be more comfortable

1143
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:44,720
with coming forward and talking about

1144
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:46,800
this we have to do something

1145
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:49,760
with the with this new with this new

1146
00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:52,160
flood of experiencers that is happening

1147
00:47:57,109 --> 00:47:55,040
now but it will continue in the future

1148
00:48:00,069 --> 00:47:57,119
oh yeah there's gonna be a lot more i

1149
00:48:01,829 --> 00:48:00,079
think do you have a plan

1150
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:01,839
so i'm actually writing a survival guide

1151
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:03,359
for experiencers right now

1152
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:06,000
for um people that either can't come

1153
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:07,359
forward with this stuff or they're

1154
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:08,880
already dealing with it or they have

1155
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,319
children that are dealing with it

1156
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:12,480
um i've actually collaborated with about

1157
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:14,800
13 of my experiencers to

1158
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:16,720
write about their testimony and how they

1159
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:17,920
deal with it and how

1160
00:48:22,710 --> 00:48:21,200
they have survived and also um

1161
00:48:23,990 --> 00:48:22,720
some things that i like to tell people

1162
00:48:24,870 --> 00:48:24,000
you know like honor yourself because you

1163
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:24,880
survive

1164
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:26,160
you know you need to be really careful

1165
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:27,520
about your boundaries and you need to be

1166
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:28,640
really careful about

1167
00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:30,400
who you're speaking to this and why and

1168
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:31,839
how to fight that stigma

1169
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,640
um i think it's just it's a really

1170
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:36,480
necessary book that is just not out

1171
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:37,359
there right now

1172
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:40,800
you know it being an experiencer and not

1173
00:48:43,670 --> 00:48:42,880
having anyone to talk to about it is

1174
00:48:45,910 --> 00:48:43,680
just

1175
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:45,920
the loneliest existence i can imagine

1176
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:46,800
and

1177
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:48,559
i don't want these people to feel alone

1178
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:50,000
i want them to know that

1179
00:48:52,870 --> 00:48:51,359
we're out there and that there are

1180
00:48:54,549 --> 00:48:52,880
people that want to help you and not

1181
00:48:56,950 --> 00:48:54,559
take advantage of you and

1182
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:56,960
it doesn't have to be a scary horrifying

1183
00:49:05,510 --> 00:48:58,079
thing

1184
00:49:07,510 --> 00:49:05,520
have some sort of road map forward we

1185
00:49:10,150 --> 00:49:07,520
have to have a plan for this because

1186
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:10,160
it's it's happening now and it's

1187
00:49:14,470 --> 00:49:11,359
inevitable

1188
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:14,480
that the numbers are going to grow and

1189
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:15,520
we have to

1190
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,680
we can't be caught by surprise can we we

1191
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:19,440
just can't

1192
00:49:26,950 --> 00:49:23,680
right and uh now uh

1193
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:26,960
i have talked to so many experiencers on

1194
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:28,559
this program

1195
00:49:34,549 --> 00:49:32,640
and i ask all of them and that includes

1196
00:49:36,790 --> 00:49:34,559
uh the therapists and things on the show

1197
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:36,800
i ask them all the same thing

1198
00:49:43,910 --> 00:49:42,870
have i yes no you haven't seen i don't

1199
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:43,920
have

1200
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:46,480
okay people of earth well it's a tv

1201
00:49:53,750 --> 00:49:47,040
series

1202
00:49:55,589 --> 00:49:53,760
about experiencers and their little

1203
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:55,599
group that gets together at this

1204
00:49:59,349 --> 00:49:58,800
church but what is amazing about this

1205
00:50:01,829 --> 00:49:59,359
series

1206
00:50:03,349 --> 00:50:01,839
nk and tonight after the show that's

1207
00:50:04,470 --> 00:50:03,359
your job you're gonna go find it and

1208
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:04,480
you're gonna go watch it and you're

1209
00:50:09,829 --> 00:50:07,440
gonna go binge it it's great it's funny

1210
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:09,839
but as you watch this and you listen to

1211
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:11,760
the conversations

1212
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:14,800
it really feels uh authentic

1213
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:17,440
to me it's a comedy right but if we

1214
00:50:20,390 --> 00:50:18,960
can't laugh at ourselves

1215
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:20,400
right that's an issue right there we

1216
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:22,079
need to laugh at ourselves

1217
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:24,079
but it seems like whoever created the

1218
00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:25,920
show and whoever

1219
00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:29,119
the writers were they infiltrated

1220
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:30,800
they did man they broke into some

1221
00:50:34,390 --> 00:50:32,480
experiencer groups

1222
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:34,400
and they got the terminology they got

1223
00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:36,800
the emotional impact of this they got

1224
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:38,800
the words they got the verbiage they got

1225
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:39,680
the ideas

1226
00:50:45,510 --> 00:50:43,119
they got it all correct and when i watch

1227
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:45,520
uh people of earth and i've seen it now

1228
00:50:51,190 --> 00:50:48,240
probably five times both seasons

1229
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:51,200
can't get enough of it their issues that

1230
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:51,680
go

1231
00:51:02,630 --> 00:50:57,680
what we need to deal with

1232
00:51:07,990 --> 00:51:06,150
they really are and um i i keep

1233
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:08,000
trying to put that message out into the

1234
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:09,920
community that you know

1235
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:11,520
especially peer-to-peer counseling like

1236
00:51:13,990 --> 00:51:13,359
you can talk to these people about it

1237
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:14,000
you know

1238
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:15,280
you don't always have to have the right

1239
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:17,520
answer you can still be a good listener

1240
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:19,119
you can still be kind you can still be

1241
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:19,920
validating

1242
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:22,319
you can say like well you know i i don't

1243
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:23,680
know what to say to that but thank you

1244
00:51:26,630 --> 00:51:25,599
for having the confidence to tell me and

1245
00:51:29,430 --> 00:51:26,640
you know

1246
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,440
keep it a secret if they ask you to but

1247
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:31,200
more and more now that i'm getting um a

1248
00:51:35,829 --> 00:51:33,040
larger pool of my researchers

1249
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:35,839
it's are my experiences is that i'm i'm

1250
00:51:40,549 --> 00:51:37,119
getting really worried

1251
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:40,559
about the suicide rate and

1252
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:44,319
you started compiling this data

1253
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:47,119
about 10 years ago how did you approach

1254
00:51:52,870 --> 00:51:48,079
that

1255
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:52,880
you were interested in as you started to

1256
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:55,359
get all of this information

1257
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:56,640
so one of the first things that

1258
00:52:00,630 --> 00:51:58,880
fascinated me was that some of these

1259
00:52:03,990 --> 00:52:00,640
people just have

1260
00:52:05,829 --> 00:52:04,000
dark horrible lifelong

1261
00:52:07,430 --> 00:52:05,839
stories where just the activity is

1262
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:07,440
constant

1263
00:52:14,549 --> 00:52:10,880
and i ask every single experiencer i say

1264
00:52:15,190 --> 00:52:14,559
if it could all stop today and just be

1265
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:15,200
over

1266
00:52:21,270 --> 00:52:19,200
that's it would you want it to stop

1267
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:21,280
and i've only had one or two people ever

1268
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:24,079
tell me like yes i want it to stop

1269
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:26,400
and it's it's fascinating to me that

1270
00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:27,839
they can come forward and say you know

1271
00:52:30,309 --> 00:52:28,640
this

1272
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:30,319
experience maybe it's not something i

1273
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:32,079
want to be happening but it's made me

1274
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:34,240
so much more aware of myself and aware

1275
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:35,599
of what's out there and that

1276
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:37,040
there's other people out there like me

1277
00:52:41,430 --> 00:52:38,640
that need help too

1278
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:41,440
so just the incredible um empathy that

1279
00:52:46,069 --> 00:52:42,880
they have

1280
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:46,079
it's really amazing and bravery

1281
00:52:52,390 --> 00:52:49,200
now there's the there's the trauma part

1282
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:52,400
and then not all experiences

1283
00:53:00,230 --> 00:52:55,440
are necessarily bad right right

1284
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:00,240
and why would you want that to stop yeah

1285
00:53:03,270 --> 00:53:02,480
but that's that is pretty interesting

1286
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:03,280
that no

1287
00:53:09,910 --> 00:53:06,480
this is this is something that i don't i

1288
00:53:13,750 --> 00:53:09,920
i want this to continue that's a pretty

1289
00:53:17,349 --> 00:53:13,760
interesting now um uh as

1290
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:17,359
there's 10 years of research um not to

1291
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:19,359
to get into you know the logistics and

1292
00:53:24,069 --> 00:53:20,720
the and the hard data

1293
00:53:26,829 --> 00:53:24,079
but how many experiencers are in the in

1294
00:53:30,390 --> 00:53:26,839
the pool of data

1295
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:30,400
approximately oh lord

1296
00:53:34,790 --> 00:53:34,240
i haven't done a count but um in a busy

1297
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:34,800
year

1298
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:42,150
30 to 50 a month wow

1299
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:45,280
and that's me trying to go slow and you

1300
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:45,599
know

1301
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:48,640
do a good job and methodical right right

1302
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:50,480
i i just need a bigger group of data

1303
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:52,079
because i really want to nail down

1304
00:53:57,750 --> 00:53:55,520
um just how bad the suicide rate

1305
00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:57,760
is the people that did the hypnotic

1306
00:54:02,069 --> 00:53:59,520
regression or not um

1307
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:02,079
the substance abuse and the relapsing

1308
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:04,000
after that stuff

1309
00:54:07,990 --> 00:54:05,280
because like you said these are real

1310
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:08,000
problems these people need real help and

1311
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:09,760
it's really hard to make a pitch for

1312
00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:11,119
that like to stop

1313
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:13,040
regressing people and to stop doing all

1314
00:54:15,990 --> 00:54:14,720
these things if you don't have the hard

1315
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:16,000
data behind it

1316
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:19,599
now yeah 50 50 a month so that's 500 a

1317
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:20,319
year

1318
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:23,119
are we 10 are we talking about 5 000

1319
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:25,359
people

1320
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:28,400
maybe give or take wow okay

1321
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:30,960
well that's uh if you're going to that's

1322
00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:32,000
that's

1323
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:35,280
thought and

1324
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:37,920
what's interesting with that um we all

1325
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:39,520
know yvonne smith and

1326
00:54:43,670 --> 00:54:42,240
i had her on the show uh a couple of

1327
00:54:45,270 --> 00:54:43,680
months ago and that was one of the

1328
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:45,280
questions i had for her

1329
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:47,200
you know she's had her experience or

1330
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:48,400
group going on since

1331
00:54:55,349 --> 00:54:51,680
uh 1990 or thereabouts right so

1332
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:55,359
25 years and uh 30 years

1333
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:58,480
now and i asked her i said now your

1334
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:00,319
group is closed

1335
00:55:04,069 --> 00:55:03,359
in that you have to be invited in right

1336
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:04,079
to the

1337
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:06,319
so but how many people you know contact

1338
00:55:09,349 --> 00:55:07,920
you ever she said the numbers are

1339
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:09,359
growing sometimes it's

1340
00:55:12,710 --> 00:55:12,319
it's 10 a week sometimes it's 10 a day

1341
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:12,720
um

1342
00:55:17,349 --> 00:55:15,680
but the the amount of people that are

1343
00:55:19,190 --> 00:55:17,359
approaching me for help and would like

1344
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:19,200
to come into the group and

1345
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:22,400
and and talk with us um is is the

1346
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:23,599
numbers are blowing up

1347
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:26,559
right now and they they they almost

1348
00:55:32,069 --> 00:55:29,040
match what you are suggesting right here

1349
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:32,079
that's a big that is a big number and

1350
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:33,680
we're just talking about you and yvonne

1351
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:34,640
smith

1352
00:55:39,109 --> 00:55:36,240
not the rest of the country of the world

1353
00:55:40,870 --> 00:55:39,119
so this number is a big number isn't it

1354
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:40,880
it really is there's a lot more of us

1355
00:55:45,589 --> 00:55:43,920
out there than we know

1356
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:45,599
and i think the best of us are still out

1357
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:47,040
there honestly the best

1358
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:49,200
researchers the best experiencers that

1359
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:50,400
just

1360
00:55:54,789 --> 00:55:53,119
can't or won't come forward yet and i

1361
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:54,799
completely understand with the stigma

1362
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:56,319
and everything but

1363
00:56:00,069 --> 00:55:57,839
i'm really excited to see where this

1364
00:56:01,430 --> 00:56:00,079
goes within the next year to five years

1365
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:01,440
because

1366
00:56:05,589 --> 00:56:02,960
hopefully with the book out i'll be able

1367
00:56:07,109 --> 00:56:05,599
to you know give them the time and the

1368
00:56:07,910 --> 00:56:07,119
energy that they deserve you know

1369
00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:07,920
instead of just

1370
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:09,920
like a one minute interview and then

1371
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:12,000
we're done but

1372
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:14,480
yeah uh sorry to lose my train of

1373
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:16,079
thought but i like yvonne smith i think

1374
00:56:19,030 --> 00:56:17,040
she's a great lady

1375
00:56:20,710 --> 00:56:19,040
um obviously i don't think that all

1376
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:20,720
people that do hypnosis are bad it's

1377
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:21,680
just that

1378
00:56:24,950 --> 00:56:23,280
not all of them are medical

1379
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,960
professionals and not all of them have

1380
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:26,640
an aftercare plan

1381
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,799
and you don't want to just open up all

1382
00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:30,480
that trauma and just say okay

1383
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:33,119
have fun right now go do your life now

1384
00:56:37,270 --> 00:56:34,000
yeah yeah

1385
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:37,280
yeah exactly and that is the point

1386
00:56:41,349 --> 00:56:39,839
um we're gonna uh head to a break right

1387
00:56:43,349 --> 00:56:41,359
here when we come back and want to get

1388
00:56:46,789 --> 00:56:43,359
back to the survival guide

1389
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:46,799
but that's the uh that's the other part

1390
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:47,680
of this

1391
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:51,200
if you're an experiencer what do you do

1392
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:53,920
who do you call you know how do you

1393
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:55,680
check on somebody's credentials

1394
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:57,920
you know i get emails every day about

1395
00:57:03,990 --> 00:57:00,079
this you know what else i get

1396
00:57:06,789 --> 00:57:04,000
all day long i got probably five today

1397
00:57:08,789 --> 00:57:06,799
i'm an experiencer jimmy um i i want to

1398
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:08,799
come on the show and tell you my story

1399
00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:12,880
i get every single day every single day

1400
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:15,760
i get that where do people go what what

1401
00:57:19,670 --> 00:57:16,720
do you recommend

1402
00:57:20,789 --> 00:57:19,680
uh you know the first phone call or the

1403
00:57:24,309 --> 00:57:20,799
first website what

1404
00:57:25,270 --> 00:57:24,319
what should somebody do i just suggest

1405
00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:25,280
telling someone

1406
00:57:30,309 --> 00:57:28,240
that you trust start with you know a

1407
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:30,319
friend a family member say hey

1408
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:32,559
you don't have to have you have a

1409
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:33,760
reaction you don't have to have an

1410
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:35,599
answer to this but i just i really want

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00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:37,200
to talk to you about this

1412
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:39,359
because the more you start believing

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00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:41,119
your own story and hearing your own

1414
00:57:44,230 --> 00:57:42,160
voice

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the easier it's going to be for you to

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00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:45,440
make those transitions

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00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:46,880
and start to come to terms with this

1418
00:57:52,470 --> 00:57:49,680
stuff but a lot of people go to move on

1419
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:52,480
a lot of people get encouraged to go to

1420
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hypnosis but if you don't have a friend

1421
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:56,880
or a family member that you trust to

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00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:57,520
talk to

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um surprisingly there's a growing number

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of

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certified therapists out there that help

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00:58:06,309 --> 00:58:04,240
with this stuff as well

1427
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:06,319
and they won't lock you up yeah right

1428
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:07,520
right do you have a list

1429
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:10,960
it can uh experiencers reach out to you

1430
00:58:15,510 --> 00:58:12,480
directly

1431
00:58:18,870 --> 00:58:15,520
yes and what's the best way to do that

1432
00:58:20,870 --> 00:58:18,880
uh preserve your experience at gmail.com

1433
00:58:22,870 --> 00:58:20,880
and i also have a facebook page it's

1434
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nkgranda

1435
00:58:30,069 --> 00:58:26,160
and how many how many members uh

1436
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are in your facebook group

1437
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:32,000
i don't know i think i just have a

1438
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:33,839
personal page oh you're just talking

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00:58:36,870 --> 00:58:35,680
about your personal page not a facebook

1440
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group

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yeah i'm not that into social media i

1442
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gotcha

1443
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no you are not let's take our break

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right here

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well i mean i called nk i said hey

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what's your twitter

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jimmy don't have one this is fade to

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black i

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am your host jimmy church our guest

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tonight nk cranda

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we're talking about experiencers and her

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10 years of research

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into ptsd into trauma

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right now we went through number one

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1579
01:04:40,470 --> 01:04:37,039
welcome back fade to black i am your

1580
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:40,480
host jimmy church tonight nk crander

1581
01:04:44,069 --> 01:04:42,720
talking about experiencers and her 10

1582
01:04:47,430 --> 01:04:44,079
years of research

1583
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:47,440
trauma ptsd she even mentioned

1584
01:04:51,270 --> 01:04:49,680
uh suicide rates and we'll talk about

1585
01:04:54,710 --> 01:04:51,280
all of that too as well

1586
01:04:55,510 --> 01:04:54,720
and she's putting together a survival

1587
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guide

1588
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and i like i i like number one and how

1589
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many

1590
01:05:07,510 --> 01:05:04,559
you think are going to be there

1591
01:05:08,870 --> 01:05:07,520
um i actually wrote a code of ethics so

1592
01:05:10,230 --> 01:05:08,880
i know i'm definitely going to throw

1593
01:05:14,069 --> 01:05:10,240
that in there and it's very

1594
01:05:15,270 --> 01:05:14,079
similar for experiencers and researchers

1595
01:05:18,230 --> 01:05:15,280
but

1596
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one of them is if you survive it you get

1597
01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:19,520
to define it

1598
01:05:23,510 --> 01:05:21,280
and that's been a huge problem in

1599
01:05:24,549 --> 01:05:23,520
ufology because people come forward and

1600
01:05:26,950 --> 01:05:24,559
they will

1601
01:05:28,870 --> 01:05:26,960
tell you a story and then researchers

1602
01:05:30,789 --> 01:05:28,880
are so quick to just say oh

1603
01:05:31,990 --> 01:05:30,799
that was that was a ufo or that was just

1604
01:05:35,190 --> 01:05:32,000
sasquatch or whatever

1605
01:05:35,990 --> 01:05:35,200
i'm like no if you survived it you get

1606
01:05:37,990 --> 01:05:36,000
to tell me what

1607
01:05:39,349 --> 01:05:38,000
happened so that's definitely one of my

1608
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first uh

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01:05:42,150 --> 01:05:40,480
my first things that i'm going to

1610
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discuss is if you survive it you get to

1611
01:05:53,430 --> 01:05:42,799
define it

1612
01:05:55,270 --> 01:05:53,440
i have so many multi-phenomena

1613
01:05:56,309 --> 01:05:55,280
experiencers that's just why i like that

1614
01:05:58,470 --> 01:05:56,319
umbrella term

1615
01:05:59,990 --> 01:05:58,480
experiencers because it's a lot nicer

1616
01:06:05,270 --> 01:06:00,000
than like oh yeah i'm a

1617
01:06:08,309 --> 01:06:05,280
sasquatch survivor or a dogman survivor

1618
01:06:09,430 --> 01:06:08,319
and that's part of the data yeah yeah it

1619
01:06:12,630 --> 01:06:09,440
is wow that's

1620
01:06:14,870 --> 01:06:12,640
i'm a sasquatch survivor i have a friend

1621
01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:14,880
that is truly a sasquatch

1622
01:06:22,069 --> 01:06:18,400
survivor uh uh what a uh

1623
01:06:24,789 --> 01:06:22,079
very traumatic um and i remember

1624
01:06:26,309 --> 01:06:24,799
we had and this is back to your point we

1625
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had a little dinner party

1626
01:06:29,829 --> 01:06:28,559
over at the house and uh there's

1627
01:06:32,309 --> 01:06:29,839
probably ten of us there

1628
01:06:34,150 --> 01:06:32,319
all friends everybody knows each other

1629
01:06:35,349 --> 01:06:34,160
and we knew about this experience he

1630
01:06:37,430 --> 01:06:35,359
called into the show

1631
01:06:39,510 --> 01:06:37,440
one night and and told us all about it

1632
01:06:43,029 --> 01:06:39,520
was pretty incredible but

1633
01:06:46,069 --> 01:06:43,039
uh in front of us sitting at the table

1634
01:06:49,750 --> 01:06:46,079
he was brought to tears and

1635
01:06:53,029 --> 01:06:49,760
it was it was so hard um

1636
01:06:56,150 --> 01:06:53,039
for him to relive it right it wasn't

1637
01:06:58,230 --> 01:06:56,160
it wasn't that uh you know it wasn't

1638
01:07:00,789 --> 01:06:58,240
you know you know some physical trauma

1639
01:07:02,789 --> 01:07:00,799
which there was but and it wasn't there

1640
01:07:04,069 --> 01:07:02,799
it wasn't that no it's reliving the

1641
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experience

1642
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:05,440
and you have to go through it and i'm

1643
01:07:11,190 --> 01:07:08,000
looking at him he's a pretty big guy

1644
01:07:11,910 --> 01:07:11,200
and for him to get all emotional i got

1645
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:11,920
emotional

1646
01:07:15,430 --> 01:07:14,880
it was hard for him to talk about it nk

1647
01:07:18,789 --> 01:07:15,440
yeah

1648
01:07:19,910 --> 01:07:18,799
definitely he was a sasquatch survivor

1649
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:19,920
we can

1650
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you know kind of grin about it and think

1651
01:07:25,670 --> 01:07:23,200
about it but

1652
01:07:27,990 --> 01:07:25,680
no people go through this and they have

1653
01:07:29,910 --> 01:07:28,000
to deal with it on their own terms

1654
01:07:31,190 --> 01:07:29,920
and here he is speaking to us his

1655
01:07:33,029 --> 01:07:31,200
friends about it

1656
01:07:34,470 --> 01:07:33,039
and he was opening up you know as our

1657
01:07:36,309 --> 01:07:34,480
own version of people of earth

1658
01:07:37,910 --> 01:07:36,319
if if you know what i'm saying and you

1659
01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:37,920
do need to do that

1660
01:07:42,390 --> 01:07:40,079
um this code of ethics do you have it

1661
01:07:45,109 --> 01:07:42,400
with you

1662
01:07:45,430 --> 01:07:45,119
okay i put part of it on my presentation

1663
01:07:47,349 --> 01:07:45,440
for

1664
01:07:49,510 --> 01:07:47,359
uh the ufo megacon but yeah i can read

1665
01:07:51,029 --> 01:07:49,520
some of it yeah i absolutely want to

1666
01:07:52,870 --> 01:07:51,039
hear it

1667
01:07:55,029 --> 01:07:52,880
okay so the first one is the biggest one

1668
01:07:58,710 --> 01:07:55,039
it's honor yourself because you survived

1669
01:08:00,230 --> 01:07:58,720
right the next one is do not allow

1670
01:08:02,390 --> 01:08:00,240
others to exploit you

1671
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:02,400
your experience or your visitors they're

1672
01:08:08,230 --> 01:08:04,559
yours exactly

1673
01:08:10,150 --> 01:08:08,240
well done number three establish healthy

1674
01:08:11,029 --> 01:08:10,160
boundaries for yourself and how others

1675
01:08:14,710 --> 01:08:11,039
interact with you

1676
01:08:18,870 --> 01:08:16,870
uh the one that we just talked about if

1677
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:18,880
you survive it you get to define it

1678
01:08:23,030 --> 01:08:20,640
never let someone else tell you what

1679
01:08:24,870 --> 01:08:23,040
happened to you or why

1680
01:08:26,630 --> 01:08:24,880
that one's a that one's a big one it is

1681
01:08:30,149 --> 01:08:26,640
a big one well we

1682
01:08:31,110 --> 01:08:30,159
talked about that yes i get very angry

1683
01:08:33,189 --> 01:08:31,120
when people

1684
01:08:35,349 --> 01:08:33,199
try to tell experiences like oh you

1685
01:08:37,030 --> 01:08:35,359
agreed to this in another life this is

1686
01:08:42,149 --> 01:08:37,040
happening to you for a reason like i

1687
01:08:47,349 --> 01:08:43,669
you don't know how many times i've heard

1688
01:08:50,149 --> 01:08:47,359
that you know another one

1689
01:08:52,070 --> 01:08:50,159
another one is a fame and fortune can be

1690
01:08:54,870 --> 01:08:52,080
regained many times but honor and

1691
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:54,880
integrity can only be lost once

1692
01:08:59,510 --> 01:08:58,799
bingo another one the phenomena we

1693
01:09:01,590 --> 01:08:59,520
experience

1694
01:09:03,749 --> 01:09:01,600
is an interactive one the closer you get

1695
01:09:06,149 --> 01:09:03,759
to it the closer it gets to you

1696
01:09:07,669 --> 01:09:06,159
and this one messes people up because

1697
01:09:09,590 --> 01:09:07,679
it's in my fine print of doing a

1698
01:09:11,349 --> 01:09:09,600
preservation i'm like okay well

1699
01:09:12,709 --> 01:09:11,359
the more you start researching this and

1700
01:09:14,229 --> 01:09:12,719
chasing this and

1701
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:14,239
trying to find out more about it you

1702
01:09:18,630 --> 01:09:16,159
know are you ready for your activity to

1703
01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:18,640
possibly pick up again

1704
01:09:22,550 --> 01:09:21,120
and sure enough either that night or a

1705
01:09:24,309 --> 01:09:22,560
couple days later they'll tell me like

1706
01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:24,319
oh no they're they're touching my feet

1707
01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:26,159
again i'm seeing shadows again

1708
01:09:30,789 --> 01:09:29,679
i told you and they do have to be

1709
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:30,799
prepared for that

1710
01:09:37,349 --> 01:09:34,000
i mean yeah there is uh

1711
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:37,359
there's another part to this where

1712
01:09:41,430 --> 01:09:40,719
i think a lot of experiencers don't know

1713
01:09:45,669 --> 01:09:41,440
if this is

1714
01:09:47,990 --> 01:09:45,679
a dream there's that part of it right

1715
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:48,000
they don't know then there's the other

1716
01:09:52,789 --> 01:09:50,400
experience here where it is a pure

1717
01:09:53,910 --> 01:09:52,799
physical experience they're awake this

1718
01:09:56,390 --> 01:09:53,920
happens

1719
01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:56,400
they're meeting uh you know a little et

1720
01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:57,360
dude

1721
01:10:02,630 --> 01:10:00,320
and and a craft and things where it's a

1722
01:10:04,229 --> 01:10:02,640
pure physical experience

1723
01:10:07,110 --> 01:10:04,239
but no matter what it's your own

1724
01:10:09,030 --> 01:10:07,120
experience how do you go back with

1725
01:10:12,390 --> 01:10:09,040
somebody

1726
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:12,400
that uh isn't sure if it was just a

1727
01:10:15,430 --> 01:10:14,400
crazy dream they fell asleep listening

1728
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:15,440
to fade to black

1729
01:10:18,709 --> 01:10:17,760
right they fell asleepless and faded

1730
01:10:20,790 --> 01:10:18,719
black

1731
01:10:23,189 --> 01:10:20,800
and they've had a dream they wake up and

1732
01:10:25,270 --> 01:10:23,199
and it was so real to them

1733
01:10:27,189 --> 01:10:25,280
that now they're questioning if

1734
01:10:30,630 --> 01:10:27,199
something happened

1735
01:10:34,149 --> 01:10:30,640
how do we approach absolutely

1736
01:10:35,910 --> 01:10:34,159
um it happens a lot actually and it's

1737
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:35,920
i've had what i would consider

1738
01:10:41,350 --> 01:10:38,000
experiences as dreams too

1739
01:10:42,790 --> 01:10:41,360
like prophetic dreams uh just dreams of

1740
01:10:43,590 --> 01:10:42,800
almost like being in a different

1741
01:10:45,990 --> 01:10:43,600
dimension

1742
01:10:47,350 --> 01:10:46,000
but like my family and friends are still

1743
01:10:48,790 --> 01:10:47,360
there but it's like i'm living a

1744
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:48,800
completely different life

1745
01:10:53,990 --> 01:10:51,120
um i think that dreams are valid as

1746
01:10:57,350 --> 01:10:54,000
experiences honestly

1747
01:11:01,030 --> 01:10:57,360
and uh the the physical

1748
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:01,040
experience it which which introduces

1749
01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:02,719
more trauma

1750
01:11:07,270 --> 01:11:06,239
um and and how are people affected is it

1751
01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:07,280
is it with the

1752
01:11:11,110 --> 01:11:09,600
physical experiences or the ones where

1753
01:11:12,950 --> 01:11:11,120
they're still trying to figure something

1754
01:11:16,149 --> 01:11:12,960
out

1755
01:11:18,950 --> 01:11:16,159
um that's hard to say

1756
01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:18,960
i mean the physical is more disturbing

1757
01:11:22,870 --> 01:11:20,640
but it's the

1758
01:11:24,830 --> 01:11:22,880
it's eventually the the mental toll that

1759
01:11:26,950 --> 01:11:24,840
it takes you know it's just it's

1760
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:26,960
exhausting you never know when it's

1761
01:11:29,350 --> 01:11:28,080
going to hit you you never know when

1762
01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:29,360
it's going to start you never know when

1763
01:11:32,470 --> 01:11:30,320
it's going to stop

1764
01:11:34,310 --> 01:11:32,480
like you know if you're afraid of dogs

1765
01:11:35,750 --> 01:11:34,320
you may run into a dog every once in a

1766
01:11:37,110 --> 01:11:35,760
while but you can for the most part

1767
01:11:38,310 --> 01:11:37,120
avoid dogs if you don't want to be

1768
01:11:40,390 --> 01:11:38,320
around them

1769
01:11:42,870 --> 01:11:40,400
experiencers have no control over when

1770
01:11:46,390 --> 01:11:42,880
this stuff can happen to them

1771
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:46,400
the uh the suicide rates

1772
01:11:52,310 --> 01:11:49,920
um when this data is

1773
01:11:54,229 --> 01:11:52,320
is in front of you and you're seeing it

1774
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:54,239
start to change

1775
01:11:58,390 --> 01:11:56,159
what is suggesting that and how do you

1776
01:11:59,990 --> 01:11:58,400
track it

1777
01:12:01,990 --> 01:12:00,000
so the problem that i've been coming

1778
01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:02,000
across over and over again is that i i

1779
01:12:06,229 --> 01:12:04,080
do know people personally that i've done

1780
01:12:08,070 --> 01:12:06,239
preservations for and

1781
01:12:09,430 --> 01:12:08,080
they they wanted to keep going and they

1782
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:09,440
wanted to do the regression

1783
01:12:13,669 --> 01:12:11,760
and unfortunately i found out um a few

1784
01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:13,679
months later that they had chosen to

1785
01:12:16,550 --> 01:12:15,199
take their life

1786
01:12:18,390 --> 01:12:16,560
so that's something that's happened to

1787
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:18,400
me personally and

1788
01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:20,880
it's also become another uh question in

1789
01:12:24,470 --> 01:12:23,040
my preservation stuff if people have had

1790
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:24,480
hypnotic regression i asked them you

1791
01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:25,199
know

1792
01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:26,960
how did you feel after that like did you

1793
01:12:30,950 --> 01:12:28,640
have aftercare

1794
01:12:33,910 --> 01:12:30,960
and they said that a majority of the

1795
01:12:34,950 --> 01:12:33,920
time their suicidal ideations went up 25

1796
01:12:37,110 --> 01:12:34,960
to 50

1797
01:12:38,070 --> 01:12:37,120
after regression and that means that

1798
01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:38,080
they are

1799
01:12:45,110 --> 01:12:42,320
making a plan that's uh

1800
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:45,120
it's almost a taboo subject right and

1801
01:12:51,350 --> 01:12:47,920
it's uh difficult to talk about

1802
01:12:54,950 --> 01:12:51,360
um do you attribute it to

1803
01:12:56,870 --> 01:12:54,960
the regression or just the reality that

1804
01:12:59,910 --> 01:12:56,880
this is going on with them

1805
01:13:03,189 --> 01:12:59,920
and you know how do you tie

1806
01:13:05,590 --> 01:13:03,199
the two together i do attribute it to

1807
01:13:07,510 --> 01:13:05,600
the regression because

1808
01:13:09,590 --> 01:13:07,520
especially the violent ones like the

1809
01:13:12,229 --> 01:13:09,600
more violent abductee stories

1810
01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:12,239
um just getting hit with all of that

1811
01:13:16,149 --> 01:13:13,520
information at once

1812
01:13:16,709 --> 01:13:16,159
and reliving it and having that really

1813
01:13:18,310 --> 01:13:16,719
crisp

1814
01:13:20,709 --> 01:13:18,320
clear not just a memory but it's

1815
01:13:21,990 --> 01:13:20,719
basically re-traumatizing yourself all

1816
01:13:23,669 --> 01:13:22,000
over again

1817
01:13:25,430 --> 01:13:23,679
and unfortunately you know a lot of the

1818
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:25,440
times they don't have that aftercare

1819
01:13:28,709 --> 01:13:26,480
like people tell me they've been

1820
01:13:30,390 --> 01:13:28,719
hypnotized over zoom and stuff

1821
01:13:32,229 --> 01:13:30,400
you're left with all of this trauma

1822
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:32,239
you're probably still having activity

1823
01:13:38,070 --> 01:13:34,960
happening and activity picking up again

1824
01:13:41,030 --> 01:13:38,080
um it makes sense to me why they would

1825
01:13:43,030 --> 01:13:41,040
start having suicidal ideations i mean

1826
01:13:47,189 --> 01:13:43,040
it's terrible but at the end of the day

1827
01:13:51,510 --> 01:13:47,199
not everyone can choose to keep going

1828
01:13:53,990 --> 01:13:51,520
doing a regression over zoom

1829
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:54,000
yeah that does not sound like a good

1830
01:13:57,430 --> 01:13:54,640
idea

1831
01:14:00,149 --> 01:13:57,440
to me now i i don't know uh the

1832
01:14:03,189 --> 01:14:00,159
therapists out there that are doing this

1833
01:14:05,990 --> 01:14:03,199
but you need to be in the same room

1834
01:14:07,590 --> 01:14:06,000
you need to be somebody to be with

1835
01:14:10,790 --> 01:14:07,600
somebody that is there to a

1836
01:14:11,510 --> 01:14:10,800
care for you and know what is actually

1837
01:14:13,750 --> 01:14:11,520
going on

1838
01:14:15,510 --> 01:14:13,760
i don't think i don't think regression

1839
01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:15,520
will resume that

1840
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:19,199
that's just that's scary to me

1841
01:14:23,669 --> 01:14:22,000
yeah but people are doing it i mean

1842
01:14:27,669 --> 01:14:23,679
after the zoom call

1843
01:14:31,270 --> 01:14:27,679
right you've just been hypnotized right

1844
01:14:33,189 --> 01:14:31,280
yeah over zoom and then you're left

1845
01:14:36,630 --> 01:14:33,199
alone in your house

1846
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:36,640
right to think about this without any

1847
01:14:41,030 --> 01:14:39,360
that just no that doesn't sound good to

1848
01:14:45,430 --> 01:14:41,040
me

1849
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:45,440
and if you do want to try it please do

1850
01:14:49,189 --> 01:14:47,280
it with a medical professional and

1851
01:14:50,950 --> 01:14:49,199
please have an aftercare plan and make

1852
01:14:52,790 --> 01:14:50,960
sure that they're reputable and they'll

1853
01:14:56,070 --> 01:14:52,800
check up on you and that you're okay

1854
01:14:58,709 --> 01:14:56,080
and uh i just it hurts me

1855
01:14:59,750 --> 01:14:58,719
it hurts me to know that that many

1856
01:15:01,910 --> 01:14:59,760
people considered

1857
01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:01,920
committing suicide and then how many i

1858
01:15:07,030 --> 01:15:03,040
don't know that

1859
01:15:10,149 --> 01:15:07,040
committed suicide how do you uh suggest

1860
01:15:12,790 --> 01:15:10,159
to someone because this is uh

1861
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:12,800
discussed so much today we just came off

1862
01:15:17,350 --> 01:15:14,640
of ufo megacon

1863
01:15:18,630 --> 01:15:17,360
i heard regression you know like 10 000

1864
01:15:20,870 --> 01:15:18,640
times this week

1865
01:15:21,990 --> 01:15:20,880
right yeah you know the conversation

1866
01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:22,000
always

1867
01:15:29,350 --> 01:15:25,600
ends up there um how do you

1868
01:15:32,790 --> 01:15:30,790
uh you can actually google their

1869
01:15:34,550 --> 01:15:32,800
credentials um

1870
01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:34,560
i mean i've i've found therapists

1871
01:15:37,669 --> 01:15:36,320
especially uh jim dunning is one that

1872
01:15:40,709 --> 01:15:37,679
can actually help you do it through

1873
01:15:42,149 --> 01:15:40,719
accelerated resolution therapy and

1874
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:42,159
that's not hypnosis and that's an

1875
01:15:45,990 --> 01:15:43,199
evidence-based

1876
01:15:47,270 --> 01:15:46,000
treatment like uh cognitive behavioral

1877
01:15:51,189 --> 01:15:47,280
therapy

1878
01:15:52,870 --> 01:15:51,199
can help you get

1879
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:52,880
those memories back and get the

1880
01:15:56,390 --> 01:15:54,719
understanding that you need and

1881
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:56,400
start helping you with your problems and

1882
01:15:58,790 --> 01:15:58,000
it's actually treating you and helping

1883
01:16:00,630 --> 01:15:58,800
you get better

1884
01:16:01,910 --> 01:16:00,640
rather than re-traumatizing you over and

1885
01:16:04,870 --> 01:16:01,920
over and over

1886
01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:04,880
but vetting a therapist it can take a

1887
01:16:08,790 --> 01:16:06,400
long time i mean it took me

1888
01:16:10,310 --> 01:16:08,800
seven years to find a therapist that i

1889
01:16:10,709 --> 01:16:10,320
really liked and that i wanted to work

1890
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:10,719
with

1891
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:14,159
uh yeah she was she's amazing i love her

1892
01:16:16,709 --> 01:16:15,440
so much and that's that's one of the

1893
01:16:18,149 --> 01:16:16,719
things that she taught me to you know

1894
01:16:18,790 --> 01:16:18,159
honor honor yourself because you

1895
01:16:21,110 --> 01:16:18,800
survived

1896
01:16:22,070 --> 01:16:21,120
and if you don't mess with the therapist

1897
01:16:23,910 --> 01:16:22,080
that's fine just

1898
01:16:25,990 --> 01:16:23,920
go find a different one talk to them you

1899
01:16:27,910 --> 01:16:26,000
know ask your friends

1900
01:16:29,189 --> 01:16:27,920
i even i gave out recommendations for

1901
01:16:31,430 --> 01:16:29,199
therapists and

1902
01:16:32,630 --> 01:16:31,440
and and and you do do that and i think

1903
01:16:36,310 --> 01:16:32,640
that's uh

1904
01:16:39,350 --> 01:16:36,320
that's that's excellent the uh

1905
01:16:40,630 --> 01:16:39,360
the conversations that i've had uh with

1906
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:40,640
different therapists

1907
01:16:46,470 --> 01:16:43,920
um and i can go down the list but when i

1908
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:46,480
hear a therapist say you know what um

1909
01:16:50,390 --> 01:16:48,480
yes i do the regression but i have

1910
01:16:53,830 --> 01:16:50,400
somebody in the room with me

1911
01:16:54,390 --> 01:16:53,840
along with you we've got somebody to not

1912
01:16:56,870 --> 01:16:54,400
only

1913
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:56,880
witness and and go through the therapy

1914
01:16:59,669 --> 01:16:57,600
but

1915
01:17:01,270 --> 01:16:59,679
to just make sure that everything runs

1916
01:17:04,149 --> 01:17:01,280
cool and and

1917
01:17:06,310 --> 01:17:04,159
and if i'm going to be regressed i need

1918
01:17:09,430 --> 01:17:06,320
two or three people in that room i just

1919
01:17:12,470 --> 01:17:09,440
don't want to run willy-nilly

1920
01:17:14,070 --> 01:17:12,480
with a therapist one-on-one because i

1921
01:17:15,669 --> 01:17:14,080
don't know where this is going

1922
01:17:18,149 --> 01:17:15,679
i don't know how the questions are going

1923
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:18,159
to be laid out or if they're questions

1924
01:17:26,709 --> 01:17:18,400
or

1925
01:17:28,830 --> 01:17:26,719
but i need a witness right i do do you

1926
01:17:30,709 --> 01:17:28,840
recommend that

1927
01:17:32,149 --> 01:17:30,719
definitely if you're going to go in

1928
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:32,159
there and if you're going to do the

1929
01:17:34,790 --> 01:17:32,880
regression

1930
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:34,800
please do not do it alone do not do it

1931
01:17:39,030 --> 01:17:36,400
over zoom like

1932
01:17:40,790 --> 01:17:39,040
and what and that's okay let's uh we can

1933
01:17:45,270 --> 01:17:40,800
let the zoom part go

1934
01:17:46,070 --> 01:17:45,280
uh but but do you do you have a witness

1935
01:17:49,350 --> 01:17:46,080
in zoom

1936
01:17:52,870 --> 01:17:49,360
right or is it just you're the therapist

1937
01:17:54,709 --> 01:17:52,880
i mean how do you do that i wow

1938
01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:54,719
wow that's crazy town and i know that

1939
01:17:58,709 --> 01:17:56,400
there are therapists that are listening

1940
01:17:59,669 --> 01:17:58,719
to me right now that do probably do zoom

1941
01:18:00,870 --> 01:17:59,679
therapy

1942
01:18:02,709 --> 01:18:00,880
that are going church what are you

1943
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:02,719
saying i'm saying

1944
01:18:06,709 --> 01:18:04,960
i'm not i'm not down with that it just

1945
01:18:08,149 --> 01:18:06,719
doesn't it doesn't feel natural it

1946
01:18:10,310 --> 01:18:08,159
doesn't feel okay

1947
01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:10,320
i'm surprised but i guess that has to

1948
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:12,960
happen sure i didn't even think about

1949
01:18:17,750 --> 01:18:13,920
that

1950
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:17,760
no i'm not regression is one thing

1951
01:18:20,950 --> 01:18:19,280
and it's something that i personally

1952
01:18:24,229 --> 01:18:20,960
don't want to go through but no not

1953
01:18:24,790 --> 01:18:24,239
not on a zoom call um now let's uh go

1954
01:18:28,709 --> 01:18:24,800
back uh

1955
01:18:31,430 --> 01:18:28,719
to uh uh the survival guide we went from

1956
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:31,440
number one to uh i'm looking at the

1957
01:18:36,630 --> 01:18:33,520
clock i want to get some more of this in

1958
01:18:40,310 --> 01:18:36,640
uh to the code of ethics uh in the

1959
01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:40,320
survival guide what would step two be

1960
01:18:45,590 --> 01:18:43,360
um well

1961
01:18:47,910 --> 01:18:45,600
i was just going through them but a big

1962
01:18:48,950 --> 01:18:47,920
one is be open to new ideas new research

1963
01:18:50,550 --> 01:18:48,960
and new people

1964
01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:50,560
but never allow yourself to believe

1965
01:18:52,870 --> 01:18:52,320
everything as the truth do your own

1966
01:18:55,270 --> 01:18:52,880
research

1967
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:55,280
and make your own conclusions

1968
01:19:04,950 --> 01:18:57,120
discernment

1969
01:19:07,750 --> 01:19:04,960
go at everything with squinty eyes avoid

1970
01:19:07,990 --> 01:19:07,760
anybody like the plague that claims that

1971
01:19:15,590 --> 01:19:08,000
they

1972
01:19:19,590 --> 01:19:15,600
don't

1973
01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:19,600
right nobody you know

1974
01:19:22,870 --> 01:19:22,400
you should see a k's face but she said

1975
01:19:26,070 --> 01:19:22,880
that

1976
01:19:29,430 --> 01:19:26,080
definitely not but um

1977
01:19:32,470 --> 01:19:29,440
nobody knows nobody knows

1978
01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:32,480
you know we have the uaptf report that's

1979
01:19:36,070 --> 01:19:33,840
coming out

1980
01:19:37,669 --> 01:19:36,080
and i think that one of the things that

1981
01:19:42,070 --> 01:19:37,679
is going to be

1982
01:19:46,630 --> 01:19:42,080
front and center of the uh uaptf report

1983
01:19:49,590 --> 01:19:46,640
i'm here to break hearts we don't know

1984
01:19:50,630 --> 01:19:49,600
right we don't know now is that the

1985
01:19:53,669 --> 01:19:50,640
truth i don't know but

1986
01:19:53,990 --> 01:19:53,679
that is about as honest as something

1987
01:19:57,110 --> 01:19:54,000
that

1988
01:19:59,590 --> 01:19:57,120
should be in this report is

1989
01:20:01,189 --> 01:19:59,600
we don't know uh we're trying to find

1990
01:20:04,149 --> 01:20:01,199
out but we don't know

1991
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:04,159
and that should be anybody in the ufo

1992
01:20:07,910 --> 01:20:04,800
community

1993
01:20:08,870 --> 01:20:07,920
nobody has all the answers absolutely

1994
01:20:10,790 --> 01:20:08,880
and that's another

1995
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:10,800
that's another one that really breaks my

1996
01:20:13,189 --> 01:20:11,850
heart is that um

1997
01:20:16,229 --> 01:20:13,199
[Music]

1998
01:20:19,510 --> 01:20:16,239
sometimes there is no why

1999
01:20:21,030 --> 01:20:19,520
there's only what is and what happened

2000
01:20:23,350 --> 01:20:21,040
and maybe these people are never going

2001
01:20:25,270 --> 01:20:23,360
to get their why and just trying to

2002
01:20:26,950 --> 01:20:25,280
to ease them into that of like maybe you

2003
01:20:28,950 --> 01:20:26,960
will never know but we can go through

2004
01:20:30,709 --> 01:20:28,960
what happened we can go through

2005
01:20:32,790 --> 01:20:30,719
all of this stuff to help you but for

2006
01:20:34,550 --> 01:20:32,800
some people it's just

2007
01:20:36,149 --> 01:20:34,560
they'll take any answer as long as it

2008
01:20:37,030 --> 01:20:36,159
fits into their bubble and they'll run

2009
01:20:39,830 --> 01:20:37,040
with it

2010
01:20:40,390 --> 01:20:39,840
because they can't bear not knowing how

2011
01:20:43,990 --> 01:20:40,400
do you

2012
01:20:46,070 --> 01:20:44,000
that where

2013
01:20:47,750 --> 01:20:46,080
i i always go back to cognitive

2014
01:20:50,470 --> 01:20:47,760
dissonance right where

2015
01:20:50,870 --> 01:20:50,480
sometimes people have those blinders on

2016
01:20:53,669 --> 01:20:50,880
and

2017
01:20:54,629 --> 01:20:53,679
if the information doesn't fit their

2018
01:20:56,790 --> 01:20:54,639
world they're gonna

2019
01:20:58,149 --> 01:20:56,800
ignore it you know how do you have that

2020
01:20:59,910 --> 01:20:58,159
conversation with somebody it's so

2021
01:21:00,870 --> 01:20:59,920
difficult you're never going to change

2022
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:00,880
anybody

2023
01:21:05,910 --> 01:21:03,600
but maybe you could suggest something to

2024
01:21:07,110 --> 01:21:05,920
them and let them go do it on their own

2025
01:21:09,110 --> 01:21:07,120
right they're not going to change

2026
01:21:11,750 --> 01:21:09,120
because of you or me

2027
01:21:13,030 --> 01:21:11,760
but maybe some additional information

2028
01:21:14,950 --> 01:21:13,040
will help them

2029
01:21:18,229 --> 01:21:14,960
but you've got to get past that barrier

2030
01:21:20,470 --> 01:21:18,239
where they don't want to hear it

2031
01:21:22,390 --> 01:21:20,480
a book that i recommend a lot it's by

2032
01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:22,400
viktor frankl it's called man's search

2033
01:21:27,189 --> 01:21:23,600
for meaning

2034
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:27,199
and it's a psychiatrist that is

2035
01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:30,480
taken into a nazi internment camp

2036
01:21:35,189 --> 01:21:33,440
so they stripped away all of his titles

2037
01:21:37,189 --> 01:21:35,199
his medical degree they threw

2038
01:21:38,790 --> 01:21:37,199
all of his manuscripts in the trash they

2039
01:21:41,510 --> 01:21:38,800
killed his parents he lost

2040
01:21:41,990 --> 01:21:41,520
everything and he really goes through

2041
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:42,000
this

2042
01:21:47,510 --> 01:21:46,560
people started to give up hope and they

2043
01:21:49,669 --> 01:21:47,520
started

2044
01:21:51,110 --> 01:21:49,679
deciding and making that decision that

2045
01:21:53,590 --> 01:21:51,120
they weren't going to make it

2046
01:21:55,110 --> 01:21:53,600
that's when he saw people starting to

2047
01:21:57,669 --> 01:21:55,120
die

2048
01:21:59,350 --> 01:21:57,679
i i recommend this book a lot because

2049
01:22:01,990 --> 01:21:59,360
number one it's validating is hell like

2050
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:02,000
and it's a terrific read but

2051
01:22:05,110 --> 01:22:04,560
he he really puts it into perspective of

2052
01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:05,120
like

2053
01:22:09,270 --> 01:22:07,600
if you make a decision whether you

2054
01:22:10,709 --> 01:22:09,280
believe in the universe or not or you

2055
01:22:13,189 --> 01:22:10,719
believe in god or not

2056
01:22:16,550 --> 01:22:13,199
you very much influence your life based

2057
01:22:21,030 --> 01:22:19,430
so i i try not to be argumentative with

2058
01:22:22,149 --> 01:22:21,040
them too much i try to i try to

2059
01:22:24,709 --> 01:22:22,159
recommend that book

2060
01:22:26,229 --> 01:22:24,719
i try to recommend you know obviously

2061
01:22:27,590 --> 01:22:26,239
mental health but

2062
01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:27,600
sometimes there's just no changing

2063
01:22:31,910 --> 01:22:29,520
people's mind and you can drag them to

2064
01:22:35,189 --> 01:22:31,920
the water but you can't make them drink

2065
01:22:37,189 --> 01:22:35,199
is there a typical experiencer you know

2066
01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:37,199
as you gather 10 years of data

2067
01:22:48,229 --> 01:22:44,870
uh no not anybody that i would really

2068
01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:52,229
my most my most common experience is

2069
01:23:00,790 --> 01:22:55,920
either shadow people

2070
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:02,629
a lot of the black triangles too but i

2071
01:23:04,390 --> 01:23:03,840
wouldn't call any of them typical

2072
01:23:08,070 --> 01:23:04,400
they're all

2073
01:23:09,270 --> 01:23:08,080
interesting to me what they do have in

2074
01:23:11,830 --> 01:23:09,280
common is that most of them are

2075
01:23:13,910 --> 01:23:11,840
multi-phenomena experiencers so

2076
01:23:15,590 --> 01:23:13,920
they've either seen the paranormal and

2077
01:23:16,870 --> 01:23:15,600
ufos and

2078
01:23:18,870 --> 01:23:16,880
a whole bunch of other things it's

2079
01:23:23,669 --> 01:23:18,880
really a mixed bag now

2080
01:23:26,950 --> 01:23:23,679
uh i was out to uh dinner

2081
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:26,960
um a few months ago with a bunch of

2082
01:23:31,430 --> 01:23:30,000
experiencers they were uh working on a

2083
01:23:32,149 --> 01:23:31,440
film project and they were being

2084
01:23:35,270 --> 01:23:32,159
interviewed

2085
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:35,280
and so we all got together um after a

2086
01:23:40,229 --> 01:23:36,880
day of of shooting

2087
01:23:43,669 --> 01:23:40,239
and we had dinner and

2088
01:23:47,110 --> 01:23:43,679
they told me that i wasn't

2089
01:23:49,110 --> 01:23:47,120
an experiencer right and now it

2090
01:23:50,950 --> 01:23:49,120
it these are my friends too as well

2091
01:23:52,709 --> 01:23:50,960
right breaking hearts

2092
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:52,719
and and i said that i want to be an

2093
01:23:56,070 --> 01:23:54,080
experiencer

2094
01:23:57,990 --> 01:23:56,080
and he said jimmy you can't you you need

2095
01:23:59,830 --> 01:23:58,000
to be

2096
01:24:02,470 --> 01:23:59,840
this is what you have to go through have

2097
01:24:05,750 --> 01:24:02,480
you gone through that i don't know

2098
01:24:08,550 --> 01:24:05,760
maybe i'm i'm not sure so

2099
01:24:09,750 --> 01:24:08,560
how do you define that what is an

2100
01:24:13,030 --> 01:24:09,760
experiencer

2101
01:24:16,229 --> 01:24:13,040
i thought i was but apparently not

2102
01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:16,239
of course you are um i literally

2103
01:24:19,669 --> 01:24:18,480
it literally translates down to someone

2104
01:24:21,590 --> 01:24:19,679
who experiences

2105
01:24:23,510 --> 01:24:21,600
so i always ask people if they think

2106
01:24:25,350 --> 01:24:23,520
they're an experiencer or not

2107
01:24:28,830 --> 01:24:25,360
has something ever happened to you that

2108
01:24:32,229 --> 01:24:31,030
yes welcome to the club you're

2109
01:24:35,110 --> 01:24:32,239
officially inexperienced

2110
01:24:37,510 --> 01:24:35,120
all right well that was that was easy

2111
01:24:40,709 --> 01:24:37,520
that you got the nk seal of approval

2112
01:24:45,430 --> 01:24:40,719
now what um uh and

2113
01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:45,440
when it comes to the trauma part um

2114
01:24:52,390 --> 01:24:49,120
again there are good experiences surely

2115
01:24:55,110 --> 01:24:52,400
but then there's the ones that aren't

2116
01:24:57,270 --> 01:24:55,120
and that's the difficult part uh to talk

2117
01:24:59,110 --> 01:24:57,280
about and for people to understand

2118
01:25:01,189 --> 01:24:59,120
um because with that now you've got the

2119
01:25:03,750 --> 01:25:01,199
hybrid program you've got

2120
01:25:04,950 --> 01:25:03,760
the removal of eggs and you've got

2121
01:25:08,870 --> 01:25:04,960
possibility of

2122
01:25:12,550 --> 01:25:08,880
you know children uh out there

2123
01:25:15,669 --> 01:25:12,560
so you have that and if you are removed

2124
01:25:18,390 --> 01:25:15,679
from your home right

2125
01:25:20,070 --> 01:25:18,400
from your car walking down the street

2126
01:25:23,189 --> 01:25:20,080
that's not cool

2127
01:25:26,550 --> 01:25:23,199
me can be a very

2128
01:25:30,229 --> 01:25:26,560
negative experience

2129
01:25:32,790 --> 01:25:30,239
is how how is that divided up in your

2130
01:25:35,110 --> 01:25:32,800
research where

2131
01:25:37,189 --> 01:25:35,120
some are cool they're happy it's fine

2132
01:25:39,110 --> 01:25:37,199
their experience was a good one

2133
01:25:40,870 --> 01:25:39,120
and then there are those that are like

2134
01:25:43,830 --> 01:25:40,880
you know what nah that

2135
01:25:45,110 --> 01:25:43,840
it's not fun for me at all there are

2136
01:25:47,830 --> 01:25:45,120
things that go down that

2137
01:25:49,990 --> 01:25:47,840
shouldn't happen to anybody do you have

2138
01:25:53,830 --> 01:25:50,000
a number

2139
01:25:56,950 --> 01:25:53,840
uh on well my specialty

2140
01:26:01,350 --> 01:25:56,960
is experiencers with ptsd and trauma

2141
01:26:04,629 --> 01:26:01,360
so a majority of them are

2142
01:26:06,310 --> 01:26:04,639
are pretty difficult to hear it's very

2143
01:26:08,629 --> 01:26:06,320
hard to share that space with someone

2144
01:26:11,030 --> 01:26:08,639
and i'm happy to do it but

2145
01:26:12,629 --> 01:26:11,040
then again i have run across the odd one

2146
01:26:14,629 --> 01:26:12,639
or two that's like oh i had a perfect

2147
01:26:16,149 --> 01:26:14,639
childhood a perfect life perfect career

2148
01:26:19,590 --> 01:26:16,159
and i saw a ufo and that was it

2149
01:26:23,110 --> 01:26:19,600
and i'm like cool that's nice

2150
01:26:26,470 --> 01:26:23,120
um and uh how

2151
01:26:28,070 --> 01:26:26,480
easy is it for somebody to uh to speak

2152
01:26:31,590 --> 01:26:28,080
to you about

2153
01:26:35,030 --> 01:26:31,600
something traumatic right uh

2154
01:26:37,510 --> 01:26:35,040
medical experiments you know things

2155
01:26:39,030 --> 01:26:37,520
and body parts and sexual organs are

2156
01:26:41,590 --> 01:26:39,040
involved and

2157
01:26:43,030 --> 01:26:41,600
and you know very very difficult things

2158
01:26:46,790 --> 01:26:43,040
to talk about

2159
01:26:49,910 --> 01:26:46,800
how easy is it for them to open up

2160
01:26:51,590 --> 01:26:49,920
it can be slow and starting but once

2161
01:26:53,990 --> 01:26:51,600
they work with me for a bit and we talk

2162
01:26:56,070 --> 01:26:54,000
for a while i'm i'm very gentle

2163
01:26:57,510 --> 01:26:56,080
people tell me that i just they said

2164
01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:57,520
there's something about you that feels

2165
01:27:00,550 --> 01:26:58,159
like home

2166
01:27:01,590 --> 01:27:00,560
there's kind of a knowing that they have

2167
01:27:04,470 --> 01:27:01,600
so they're able to

2168
01:27:06,229 --> 01:27:04,480
to very slowly kind of open up about it

2169
01:27:08,149 --> 01:27:06,239
and usually these experiences

2170
01:27:10,310 --> 01:27:08,159
are attached to some other kind of

2171
01:27:12,390 --> 01:27:10,320
activating traumatic event

2172
01:27:14,629 --> 01:27:12,400
i spoke about this at the presentation

2173
01:27:16,709 --> 01:27:14,639
that i had this theory

2174
01:27:17,990 --> 01:27:16,719
that when this is a fact that when your

2175
01:27:20,390 --> 01:27:18,000
brain experiences

2176
01:27:22,870 --> 01:27:20,400
trauma whether it be a bad car accident

2177
01:27:25,510 --> 01:27:22,880
or domestic violence or something

2178
01:27:26,629 --> 01:27:25,520
your neural pathways will physically

2179
01:27:29,830 --> 01:27:26,639
redistribute

2180
01:27:30,310 --> 01:27:29,840
them themselves in your brain so that's

2181
01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:30,320
science

2182
01:27:34,390 --> 01:27:33,040
your brain will reprogram itself to say

2183
01:27:37,750 --> 01:27:34,400
uh oh that's a bad thing

2184
01:27:38,550 --> 01:27:37,760
avoid avoid avoid so i got to thinking

2185
01:27:41,750 --> 01:27:38,560
i'm like hey

2186
01:27:43,189 --> 01:27:41,760
what if that's kind of why so many more

2187
01:27:45,110 --> 01:27:43,199
people are coming forward with this

2188
01:27:45,990 --> 01:27:45,120
stuff is because they had that bad car

2189
01:27:48,470 --> 01:27:46,000
accident or they had

2190
01:27:49,270 --> 01:27:48,480
that near-death experience their neural

2191
01:27:51,669 --> 01:27:49,280
pathways

2192
01:27:53,590 --> 01:27:51,679
rearranged themselves and maybe they've

2193
01:27:54,550 --> 01:27:53,600
activated some part of the brain that

2194
01:27:57,350 --> 01:27:54,560
wasn't

2195
01:27:58,629 --> 01:27:57,360
awake before or um you know they talk a

2196
01:28:00,390 --> 01:27:58,639
lot about junk dna

2197
01:28:01,669 --> 01:28:00,400
and there's just so much about the brain

2198
01:28:03,590 --> 01:28:01,679
that we don't understand

2199
01:28:05,510 --> 01:28:03,600
but i guess that's the only really

2200
01:28:07,030 --> 01:28:05,520
typical thing about my experiencers is

2201
01:28:09,910 --> 01:28:07,040
that most of them

2202
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:09,920
a vast majority have some kind of

2203
01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:11,040
traumatic

2204
01:28:14,709 --> 01:28:12,719
activating event and then the

2205
01:28:17,430 --> 01:28:14,719
experiences follow

2206
01:28:18,070 --> 01:28:17,440
they're undeniably linked right right

2207
01:28:20,390 --> 01:28:18,080
and

2208
01:28:22,629 --> 01:28:20,400
uh when we come back off of the break i

2209
01:28:25,669 --> 01:28:22,639
want to talk specifically

2210
01:28:27,030 --> 01:28:25,679
about some of the experiences that

2211
01:28:30,229 --> 01:28:27,040
you've talked to

2212
01:28:31,189 --> 01:28:30,239
and and they're they're dramatic events

2213
01:28:34,790 --> 01:28:31,199
whether

2214
01:28:37,350 --> 01:28:34,800
uh it uh is et related

2215
01:28:39,270 --> 01:28:37,360
um there may be the possibility of my

2216
01:28:42,070 --> 01:28:39,280
labs and maybe some government

2217
01:28:42,470 --> 01:28:42,080
um interference on this too as well and

2218
01:28:45,350 --> 01:28:42,480
those

2219
01:28:46,550 --> 01:28:45,360
experiencers go through stuff that uh

2220
01:28:49,189 --> 01:28:46,560
it's just like the worst

2221
01:28:50,149 --> 01:28:49,199
movie that you could imagine right some

2222
01:28:51,830 --> 01:28:50,159
horror film

2223
01:28:53,430 --> 01:28:51,840
but they're going through this and that

2224
01:28:55,350 --> 01:28:53,440
now they need to come out

2225
01:28:57,030 --> 01:28:55,360
and speak about it so i want to cover

2226
01:28:59,750 --> 01:28:57,040
all of that when we come back

2227
01:29:01,750 --> 01:28:59,760
our guest tonight nk cranda we're

2228
01:29:04,390 --> 01:29:01,760
talking about our 10 years of research

2229
01:29:06,470 --> 01:29:04,400
into experiencers ptsd

2230
01:29:08,470 --> 01:29:06,480
and the trauma all that and much more

2231
01:29:10,310 --> 01:29:08,480
when we come back after this short break

2232
01:29:29,189 --> 01:29:10,320
our murals jimmy church this is fade to

2233
01:29:35,430 --> 01:29:32,310
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2234
01:29:37,270 --> 01:29:35,440
you're listening to fade to black

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01:34:21,030 --> 01:34:18,880
is

2329
01:34:22,310 --> 01:34:21,040
nk cranda we're talking about

2330
01:34:25,350 --> 01:34:22,320
experiencers and

2331
01:34:26,149 --> 01:34:25,360
and ptsd and trauma and and these

2332
01:34:29,030 --> 01:34:26,159
experiences

2333
01:34:30,790 --> 01:34:29,040
and right before the break when we uh

2334
01:34:32,070 --> 01:34:30,800
we're talking about this and asked

2335
01:34:33,590 --> 01:34:32,080
you know what's the percent you know

2336
01:34:35,830 --> 01:34:33,600
what's the split between good

2337
01:34:39,110 --> 01:34:35,840
experiences and bash you know well i'm

2338
01:34:39,910 --> 01:34:39,120
i work with ptsd i work with drama most

2339
01:34:41,910 --> 01:34:39,920
of mine are

2340
01:34:43,350 --> 01:34:41,920
are bad and i want to get to some

2341
01:34:46,470 --> 01:34:43,360
specific

2342
01:34:50,550 --> 01:34:46,480
um i almost said client right

2343
01:34:53,750 --> 01:34:50,560
experiencers of yours nk um

2344
01:34:54,390 --> 01:34:53,760
do you have those that are coming

2345
01:34:57,109 --> 01:34:54,400
forward

2346
01:34:57,910 --> 01:34:57,119
and speaking about uh you know a hybrid

2347
01:35:00,950 --> 01:34:57,920
program

2348
01:35:03,990 --> 01:35:00,960
and and things that occur maybe even

2349
01:35:06,629 --> 01:35:04,000
nightly and if you have can you tell us

2350
01:35:09,750 --> 01:35:06,639
about it specifically

2351
01:35:10,629 --> 01:35:09,760
uh yes one of them i i can't do any

2352
01:35:13,990 --> 01:35:10,639
names or anything

2353
01:35:17,990 --> 01:35:14,000
one of them uh her grandfather

2354
01:35:21,590 --> 01:35:18,000
was actually involved in the mk ultra

2355
01:35:24,390 --> 01:35:21,600
base and ever since then all of the

2356
01:35:27,510 --> 01:35:24,400
women in her family have just had

2357
01:35:29,910 --> 01:35:27,520
experiences and they've had interactions

2358
01:35:33,350 --> 01:35:29,920
with the same entities and just

2359
01:35:35,910 --> 01:35:33,360
a bunch of crazy stuff happening

2360
01:35:38,310 --> 01:35:35,920
and now her daughter her daughter is

2361
01:35:40,149 --> 01:35:38,320
coming up to her and she says oh mom

2362
01:35:42,229 --> 01:35:40,159
the orbs came back they took some of my

2363
01:35:44,229 --> 01:35:42,239
blood last night so

2364
01:35:46,390 --> 01:35:44,239
she's pretty terrified about that and

2365
01:35:46,950 --> 01:35:46,400
that she thinks that she's a hybrid and

2366
01:35:48,390 --> 01:35:46,960
she

2367
01:35:50,870 --> 01:35:48,400
thinks that her daughters are some sort

2368
01:35:53,270 --> 01:35:50,880
of hybrid and that her grandfather had

2369
01:35:55,590 --> 01:35:53,280
something to do with them getting their

2370
01:35:57,189 --> 01:35:55,600
dna altered somehow

2371
01:35:58,790 --> 01:35:57,199
and she tried to talk to him about it on

2372
01:36:01,350 --> 01:35:58,800
his deathbed and

2373
01:36:02,709 --> 01:36:01,360
all he would say was i would have to

2374
01:36:03,910 --> 01:36:02,719
tell you that you're crazy

2375
01:36:06,629 --> 01:36:03,920
i would have to tell you that you're

2376
01:36:13,430 --> 01:36:10,149
so that one that one was rough and

2377
01:36:16,669 --> 01:36:13,440
uh the the my lab

2378
01:36:19,270 --> 01:36:16,679
side of things where you have uh

2379
01:36:21,109 --> 01:36:19,280
experiencers that have looked around the

2380
01:36:23,990 --> 01:36:21,119
room and maybe

2381
01:36:24,950 --> 01:36:24,000
seen somebody in military uniform right

2382
01:36:27,109 --> 01:36:24,960
where they

2383
01:36:28,070 --> 01:36:27,119
you've got uh you know different beings

2384
01:36:30,950 --> 01:36:28,080
and species

2385
01:36:32,950 --> 01:36:30,960
that are there but then when you see

2386
01:36:35,350 --> 01:36:32,960
somebody in uniform that would suggest

2387
01:36:38,629 --> 01:36:35,360
some type of cooperation

2388
01:36:42,629 --> 01:36:38,639
uh with the military apparently

2389
01:36:44,790 --> 01:36:42,639
and these e.t races and these abductions

2390
01:36:47,109 --> 01:36:44,800
that are going on do you have some of

2391
01:36:49,990 --> 01:36:47,119
those experiencers

2392
01:36:51,669 --> 01:36:50,000
oh yeah i work with the military a lot

2393
01:36:54,070 --> 01:36:51,679
very close to my heart

2394
01:36:55,750 --> 01:36:54,080
right guys um they go through a lot of

2395
01:36:57,990 --> 01:36:55,760
stuff but

2396
01:36:59,109 --> 01:36:58,000
some of them they have to be careful

2397
01:37:02,149 --> 01:36:59,119
what they talk about

2398
01:37:05,270 --> 01:37:02,159
but when i get to do like uh um

2399
01:37:06,470 --> 01:37:05,280
what are they called oh my god in an end

2400
01:37:08,709 --> 01:37:06,480
of life one when i do an

2401
01:37:09,830 --> 01:37:08,719
end of life preservation and they just

2402
01:37:11,750 --> 01:37:09,840
don't care anymore

2403
01:37:13,109 --> 01:37:11,760
like these guys that were top secret and

2404
01:37:15,430 --> 01:37:13,119
stuff you know

2405
01:37:17,830 --> 01:37:15,440
they would tell me that they were uh

2406
01:37:20,790 --> 01:37:17,840
driving shamans out into the desert

2407
01:37:21,350 --> 01:37:20,800
over in uh yucca valley and stuff and

2408
01:37:23,270 --> 01:37:21,360
just

2409
01:37:24,709 --> 01:37:23,280
doing a bunch of weird stuff they said

2410
01:37:26,229 --> 01:37:24,719
that they didn't really understand what

2411
01:37:28,790 --> 01:37:26,239
was going on but

2412
01:37:31,590 --> 01:37:28,800
they definitely had much more to do with

2413
01:37:33,830 --> 01:37:31,600
the ufos and the experimental craft

2414
01:37:35,109 --> 01:37:33,840
and you know doing all of these research

2415
01:37:38,149 --> 01:37:35,119
projects especially with

2416
01:37:40,629 --> 01:37:38,159
uh remote viewing and everything so i i

2417
01:37:43,430 --> 01:37:40,639
get a lot of that the military is

2418
01:37:44,550 --> 01:37:43,440
quite quite involved with the phenomena

2419
01:37:48,709 --> 01:37:44,560
do you think that

2420
01:37:52,950 --> 01:37:48,719
some of these experiencers

2421
01:37:56,709 --> 01:37:52,960
uh that their uh event

2422
01:37:57,910 --> 01:37:56,719
is staged right it's staged it's staged

2423
01:38:01,030 --> 01:37:57,920
by the military

2424
01:38:02,629 --> 01:38:01,040
it's there to appear to be an alien

2425
01:38:05,669 --> 01:38:02,639
abduction

2426
01:38:06,870 --> 01:38:05,679
but uh they find out later that maybe it

2427
01:38:09,750 --> 01:38:06,880
is not

2428
01:38:13,030 --> 01:38:09,760
have you have you spoken to anybody

2429
01:38:18,709 --> 01:38:14,830
i don't think that any of them were

2430
01:38:22,070 --> 01:38:20,629
yeah but that's a hard one to add we'll

2431
01:38:23,189 --> 01:38:22,080
circle back to that i don't think any of

2432
01:38:26,550 --> 01:38:23,199
them were staged

2433
01:38:29,990 --> 01:38:26,560
and what about my lab specifically

2434
01:38:31,669 --> 01:38:30,000
military abductions

2435
01:38:33,590 --> 01:38:31,679
oh yeah i know for a fact that there are

2436
01:38:35,750 --> 01:38:33,600
underground race uh bases

2437
01:38:37,590 --> 01:38:35,760
um i used to be friends with one of the

2438
01:38:40,550 --> 01:38:37,600
ladies that took care of the uh

2439
01:38:42,070 --> 01:38:40,560
animals and stuff uh so fort bragg has

2440
01:38:43,830 --> 01:38:42,080
underground bases um

2441
01:38:47,510 --> 01:38:43,840
fort sam houston has some underground

2442
01:38:52,550 --> 01:38:50,950
it's it's difficult because there's

2443
01:38:54,790 --> 01:38:52,560
things that they tell me that are so

2444
01:38:56,070 --> 01:38:54,800
awful it's like i almost don't want to

2445
01:38:57,510 --> 01:38:56,080
believe them

2446
01:38:59,910 --> 01:38:57,520
i don't want to believe that those

2447
01:39:03,109 --> 01:38:59,920
things happen like what

2448
01:39:05,590 --> 01:39:03,119
like what um just

2449
01:39:07,750 --> 01:39:05,600
entire families being taken down there

2450
01:39:10,950 --> 01:39:07,760
um especially if you know you're rh

2451
01:39:11,990 --> 01:39:10,960
negative and just taking eggs from the

2452
01:39:14,149 --> 01:39:12,000
daughters and

2453
01:39:15,350 --> 01:39:14,159
just messing around with dna and messing

2454
01:39:19,750 --> 01:39:15,360
around with their brains

2455
01:39:24,470 --> 01:39:21,990
our military has done some really awful

2456
01:39:28,070 --> 01:39:24,480
things to people

2457
01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:28,080
the uh the children um

2458
01:39:34,229 --> 01:39:32,400
have you spoken to children

2459
01:39:36,229 --> 01:39:34,239
yes so i'm one of the only people that

2460
01:39:38,550 --> 01:39:36,239
will actually work with children so

2461
01:39:40,149 --> 01:39:38,560
the zero to six demographic is my

2462
01:39:43,109 --> 01:39:40,159
favorite demographic

2463
01:39:45,270 --> 01:39:43,119
because they don't have a lot of the uh

2464
01:39:46,550 --> 01:39:45,280
social stigmas that adults do they don't

2465
01:39:48,070 --> 01:39:46,560
really

2466
01:39:49,669 --> 01:39:48,080
they haven't been conditioned yet that

2467
01:39:51,030 --> 01:39:49,679
all of this stuff isn't real and you're

2468
01:39:53,510 --> 01:39:51,040
not supposed to believe in it you're not

2469
01:39:54,950 --> 01:39:53,520
supposed to be seeing these things so

2470
01:39:56,629 --> 01:39:54,960
yeah i've talked to i've talked to

2471
01:39:59,669 --> 01:39:56,639
several little girls about it where

2472
01:40:00,950 --> 01:39:59,679
um one of them had a portal that would

2473
01:40:03,030 --> 01:40:00,960
open up in her

2474
01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:03,040
her bedroom and she said that it would

2475
01:40:06,470 --> 01:40:05,280
look like a military man like a guy with

2476
01:40:07,990 --> 01:40:06,480
a gun and everything he would kind of

2477
01:40:10,070 --> 01:40:08,000
come up and then he would look around

2478
01:40:12,070 --> 01:40:10,080
and then he would leave and you know

2479
01:40:13,669 --> 01:40:12,080
she's she's being very descriptive she's

2480
01:40:15,030 --> 01:40:13,679
being very honest she would have no

2481
01:40:18,629 --> 01:40:15,040
reason to lie about it

2482
01:40:19,669 --> 01:40:18,639
um yeah the kids are

2483
01:40:22,790 --> 01:40:19,679
kids are some of my favorite

2484
01:40:25,350 --> 01:40:22,800
demographics and especially uh

2485
01:40:26,629 --> 01:40:25,360
their activating events too can be can

2486
01:40:29,430 --> 01:40:26,639
be pretty fantastic

2487
01:40:29,750 --> 01:40:29,440
like if they already have a predilection

2488
01:40:31,910 --> 01:40:29,760
to

2489
01:40:33,510 --> 01:40:31,920
sensitivities or anything like that

2490
01:40:35,270 --> 01:40:33,520
especially when they come forward into

2491
01:40:36,229 --> 01:40:35,280
puberty with all of those hormones and

2492
01:40:39,990 --> 01:40:36,239
stuff

2493
01:40:44,149 --> 01:40:40,000
their activity just explodes

2494
01:40:47,189 --> 01:40:44,159
how do you how do you

2495
01:40:49,109 --> 01:40:47,199
talk to a child about this

2496
01:40:51,109 --> 01:40:49,119
i mean how do you approach that i mean

2497
01:40:52,070 --> 01:40:51,119
i'm a parent i don't know how i would

2498
01:40:54,070 --> 01:40:52,080
have

2499
01:40:55,189 --> 01:40:54,080
talked to my daughters when they were

2500
01:40:57,910 --> 01:40:55,199
five right

2501
01:40:59,270 --> 01:40:57,920
six years old about something like this

2502
01:41:01,830 --> 01:40:59,280
as a parent

2503
01:41:03,510 --> 01:41:01,840
how do you how do you communicate it's

2504
01:41:06,629 --> 01:41:03,520
it's not the same as an adult

2505
01:41:11,030 --> 01:41:06,639
obviously but but how do you communicate

2506
01:41:13,430 --> 01:41:11,040
with them on such a sensitive issue

2507
01:41:14,390 --> 01:41:13,440
so usually it's a the parent that will

2508
01:41:16,229 --> 01:41:14,400
contact me

2509
01:41:18,229 --> 01:41:16,239
and they'll kind of fill me in on what's

2510
01:41:20,629 --> 01:41:18,239
going on and what they think is going on

2511
01:41:21,270 --> 01:41:20,639
and basically with kids like i really

2512
01:41:24,229 --> 01:41:21,280
like kids

2513
01:41:25,590 --> 01:41:24,239
i'm a mom i feel really close to kids

2514
01:41:27,270 --> 01:41:25,600
all the time so

2515
01:41:28,709 --> 01:41:27,280
sometimes we'll sit down and we'll just

2516
01:41:30,950 --> 01:41:28,719
draw and i'll just

2517
01:41:32,790 --> 01:41:30,960
kind of gently bring it up like oh like

2518
01:41:33,510 --> 01:41:32,800
do you have uh do you ever have bad

2519
01:41:35,350 --> 01:41:33,520
dreams

2520
01:41:37,510 --> 01:41:35,360
do you ever have anything strange happen

2521
01:41:39,430 --> 01:41:37,520
to you you know and we're just drawing

2522
01:41:41,030 --> 01:41:39,440
and sometimes they'll just go right into

2523
01:41:42,550 --> 01:41:41,040
it and open right up and

2524
01:41:43,910 --> 01:41:42,560
sometimes they won't talk about it at

2525
01:41:45,109 --> 01:41:43,920
all but they'll kind of draw me a

2526
01:41:48,629 --> 01:41:45,119
picture

2527
01:41:49,750 --> 01:41:48,639
um yeah there's a lot of different ways

2528
01:41:52,470 --> 01:41:49,760
you can go about it

2529
01:41:54,550 --> 01:41:52,480
uh i always do kids face to face though

2530
01:41:56,310 --> 01:41:54,560
i won't do over the phone or over zoom

2531
01:41:58,790 --> 01:41:56,320
because i need to make sure that they're

2532
01:42:04,070 --> 01:42:01,990
kids kids know a parent

2533
01:42:06,629 --> 01:42:04,080
right they know automatically because

2534
01:42:09,350 --> 01:42:06,639
you you handle it differently

2535
01:42:10,870 --> 01:42:09,360
like your daughter and i instant bond

2536
01:42:14,550 --> 01:42:10,880
but she knows i'm a dad

2537
01:42:16,629 --> 01:42:14,560
right she doesn't have to ask because we

2538
01:42:18,550 --> 01:42:16,639
we interact with kids differently when

2539
01:42:21,030 --> 01:42:18,560
we're parents and

2540
01:42:21,910 --> 01:42:21,040
and i think that all parents especially

2541
01:42:23,270 --> 01:42:21,920
when you see

2542
01:42:24,950 --> 01:42:23,280
somebody that's five years old four

2543
01:42:28,149 --> 01:42:24,960
years old we go man

2544
01:42:30,790 --> 01:42:28,159
those were the days right those were the

2545
01:42:32,709 --> 01:42:30,800
she she was running up and down the

2546
01:42:34,790 --> 01:42:32,719
vendor hall telling people that

2547
01:42:36,550 --> 01:42:34,800
uh she was seeing ghosts and the black

2548
01:42:38,950 --> 01:42:36,560
eyed children and

2549
01:42:40,870 --> 01:42:38,960
uh she she's very talkative about it so

2550
01:42:43,990 --> 01:42:40,880
i haven't experienced her daughter and

2551
01:42:46,070 --> 01:42:44,000
i talk to her the same way it's that um

2552
01:42:48,070 --> 01:42:46,080
you know you just just listen just

2553
01:42:50,070 --> 01:42:48,080
listen don't be judgmental

2554
01:42:52,550 --> 01:42:50,080
validate them you know obviously if

2555
01:42:55,990 --> 01:42:52,560
they're in some kind of distress

2556
01:42:58,470 --> 01:42:56,000
help them out the best you can

2557
01:42:59,990 --> 01:42:58,480
i i i also go into the work of you know

2558
01:43:01,189 --> 01:43:00,000
when the bad things start happening to

2559
01:43:03,830 --> 01:43:01,199
the children and

2560
01:43:05,590 --> 01:43:03,840
the parents are just so how do i protect

2561
01:43:07,510 --> 01:43:05,600
them how do i get this to stop what's

2562
01:43:09,350 --> 01:43:07,520
going on and

2563
01:43:10,870 --> 01:43:09,360
there are also ways to delve into that

2564
01:43:12,870 --> 01:43:10,880
and sometimes make it better and then

2565
01:43:14,550 --> 01:43:12,880
sometimes it's just

2566
01:43:17,189 --> 01:43:14,560
something that they eventually grow up

2567
01:43:19,109 --> 01:43:17,199
with and it's it's difficult

2568
01:43:21,270 --> 01:43:19,119
it's difficult with the kids and it

2569
01:43:24,070 --> 01:43:21,280
tends to run in the family

2570
01:43:26,310 --> 01:43:24,080
i think over and over again we we hear

2571
01:43:28,310 --> 01:43:26,320
repeatedly it was my mom it was my

2572
01:43:31,669 --> 01:43:28,320
grandfather now it's me

2573
01:43:33,590 --> 01:43:31,679
and and and now it's my kids you see

2574
01:43:36,629 --> 01:43:33,600
that a lot don't you

2575
01:43:39,669 --> 01:43:36,639
oh yeah definitely with um

2576
01:43:42,390 --> 01:43:39,679
yeah yeah it's definitely genetic

2577
01:43:43,990 --> 01:43:42,400
the uh the parent that comes to you

2578
01:43:45,669 --> 01:43:44,000
about the child

2579
01:43:47,270 --> 01:43:45,679
the parent is probably going through

2580
01:43:50,390 --> 01:43:47,280
experiences as well

2581
01:43:52,629 --> 01:43:50,400
right right and most people don't come

2582
01:43:55,189 --> 01:43:52,639
forward with experiences until

2583
01:43:56,229 --> 01:43:55,199
it's affecting their child or something

2584
01:43:58,149 --> 01:43:56,239
that

2585
01:43:59,910 --> 01:43:58,159
it causes them to step outside of

2586
01:44:01,750 --> 01:43:59,920
themselves and say like okay like i

2587
01:44:03,910 --> 01:44:01,760
really need help i really need to talk

2588
01:44:05,510 --> 01:44:03,920
to someone this is starting to hurt

2589
01:44:07,189 --> 01:44:05,520
my family it's starting to hurt my

2590
01:44:09,750 --> 01:44:07,199
friends you know

2591
01:44:10,950 --> 01:44:09,760
um but yeah it's definitely genetic

2592
01:44:13,510 --> 01:44:10,960
there's definitely the

2593
01:44:14,470 --> 01:44:13,520
rh negative uh blood component of it as

2594
01:44:16,550 --> 01:44:14,480
well that

2595
01:44:18,149 --> 01:44:16,560
a majority of experiencers that i talk

2596
01:44:21,189 --> 01:44:18,159
to are rh negative

2597
01:44:21,990 --> 01:44:21,199
um yeah they're rh negative they have

2598
01:44:24,950 --> 01:44:22,000
trauma

2599
01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:24,960
uh some kind of activating event and

2600
01:44:28,550 --> 01:44:26,560
then they're multi phenomena

2601
01:44:29,750 --> 01:44:28,560
so rarely do they ever deal with just

2602
01:44:32,470 --> 01:44:29,760
one thing

2603
01:44:34,390 --> 01:44:32,480
now uh you said to me earlier you know i

2604
01:44:36,950 --> 01:44:34,400
had something strange to me now

2605
01:44:37,990 --> 01:44:36,960
i'm an experiencer you know welcome to

2606
01:44:41,109 --> 01:44:38,000
the club

2607
01:44:44,229 --> 01:44:41,119
but to those that are listening to us

2608
01:44:47,430 --> 01:44:46,229
and if somebody's wondering about this

2609
01:44:49,270 --> 01:44:47,440
what should they look for

2610
01:44:52,070 --> 01:44:49,280
first i mean what's the first thing that

2611
01:44:54,790 --> 01:44:53,430
i honestly i just asked them if

2612
01:44:55,669 --> 01:44:54,800
something ever happened to you that you

2613
01:44:57,990 --> 01:44:55,679
can't explain

2614
01:44:59,669 --> 01:44:58,000
and i think that that's it's a question

2615
01:45:01,270 --> 01:44:59,679
that some people take mockingly like

2616
01:45:01,990 --> 01:45:01,280
well of course i've seen things that i

2617
01:45:03,750 --> 01:45:02,000
can't explain

2618
01:45:06,870 --> 01:45:03,760
and then other people actually really do

2619
01:45:10,629 --> 01:45:09,510
so if they want to start to learn more

2620
01:45:12,709 --> 01:45:10,639
about it or if they're wondering if

2621
01:45:14,550 --> 01:45:12,719
they're an experiencer

2622
01:45:15,910 --> 01:45:14,560
there's lots of different markers like i

2623
01:45:17,750 --> 01:45:15,920
learned about that when i was part of

2624
01:45:19,109 --> 01:45:17,760
the experience or research team for

2625
01:45:21,109 --> 01:45:19,119
mufon

2626
01:45:22,950 --> 01:45:21,119
so the rh negative blood type is a

2627
01:45:25,830 --> 01:45:22,960
marker um

2628
01:45:27,270 --> 01:45:25,840
another marker is that if you are of

2629
01:45:30,470 --> 01:45:27,280
germanic heritage

2630
01:45:35,350 --> 01:45:30,480
a lot of times that can be uh an

2631
01:45:41,669 --> 01:45:39,910
yes i did not know that

2632
01:45:43,189 --> 01:45:41,679
yeah so mufon will take these

2633
01:45:45,830 --> 01:45:43,199
experiencers and they'll

2634
01:45:47,750 --> 01:45:45,840
uh they're trained to look for certain

2635
01:45:49,030 --> 01:45:47,760
markers along the way in the story and

2636
01:45:51,750 --> 01:45:49,040
with the people to

2637
01:45:54,470 --> 01:45:51,760
to see if it's a genuine account or not

2638
01:45:57,590 --> 01:45:54,480
and when we talk about generational

2639
01:45:57,990 --> 01:45:57,600
i want to address this really quick you

2640
01:46:01,350 --> 01:45:58,000
have

2641
01:46:05,270 --> 01:46:01,360
uh the experiencer but do you

2642
01:46:08,470 --> 01:46:05,280
ask them about their parents

2643
01:46:11,990 --> 01:46:08,480
and and their grandparents i do

2644
01:46:15,189 --> 01:46:12,000
and what happens um most

2645
01:46:16,070 --> 01:46:15,199
of the time there is activity but their

2646
01:46:19,189 --> 01:46:16,080
parents

2647
01:46:21,590 --> 01:46:19,199
uh most of them wouldn't talk to the the

2648
01:46:24,070 --> 01:46:21,600
kids about it very much

2649
01:46:25,350 --> 01:46:24,080
so there was a woman that uh her and her

2650
01:46:28,310 --> 01:46:25,360
father had a missing time

2651
01:46:30,470 --> 01:46:28,320
episode together in the truck where they

2652
01:46:32,149 --> 01:46:30,480
were coming up over a hill

2653
01:46:33,990 --> 01:46:32,159
and then they both just kind of woke up

2654
01:46:35,109 --> 01:46:34,000
in the car and it was two hours later

2655
01:46:36,550 --> 01:46:35,119
and she

2656
01:46:38,470 --> 01:46:36,560
she's like dad has this ever happened to

2657
01:46:39,510 --> 01:46:38,480
you before like what's what's going on

2658
01:46:41,189 --> 01:46:39,520
and he's like

2659
01:46:44,470 --> 01:46:41,199
it's happened a couple of times just

2660
01:46:46,790 --> 01:46:44,480
don't worry about it and um

2661
01:46:47,669 --> 01:46:46,800
yeah i think that it runs along the

2662
01:46:50,870 --> 01:46:47,679
lines more

2663
01:46:53,750 --> 01:46:50,880
in white males and then it's also very

2664
01:46:55,590 --> 01:46:53,760
prevalent in like matriarchal stuff so

2665
01:46:57,109 --> 01:46:55,600
the grandmothers are have a lot of

2666
01:46:58,790 --> 01:46:57,119
activity and along with the

2667
01:47:00,470 --> 01:46:58,800
granddaughters and sometimes it'll skip

2668
01:47:01,270 --> 01:47:00,480
a generation sometimes it's every

2669
01:47:04,390 --> 01:47:01,280
generation

2670
01:47:08,310 --> 01:47:04,400
like i think it's kind of cool now the

2671
01:47:10,470 --> 01:47:08,320
rh part i understand that uh

2672
01:47:12,070 --> 01:47:10,480
white male totally get that part but

2673
01:47:14,229 --> 01:47:12,080
what about the ethnicity

2674
01:47:15,590 --> 01:47:14,239
breakdown and the different ethnic

2675
01:47:19,750 --> 01:47:15,600
groups

2676
01:47:23,750 --> 01:47:19,760
um can you can you speak about that

2677
01:47:26,470 --> 01:47:23,760
i can uh

2678
01:47:26,950 --> 01:47:26,480
it's it's kind of difficult because so

2679
01:47:28,950 --> 01:47:26,960
many

2680
01:47:30,870 --> 01:47:28,960
different people like you know they talk

2681
01:47:32,229 --> 01:47:30,880
about the star people and that's just a

2682
01:47:34,149 --> 01:47:32,239
it's a part of their lives than it

2683
01:47:36,629 --> 01:47:34,159
always has been so they don't

2684
01:47:38,310 --> 01:47:36,639
consider that an experience or aliens or

2685
01:47:39,189 --> 01:47:38,320
anything like that it's just the star

2686
01:47:40,709 --> 01:47:39,199
people

2687
01:47:42,470 --> 01:47:40,719
you know and there's different tribes

2688
01:47:44,390 --> 01:47:42,480
that you know live

2689
01:47:45,990 --> 01:47:44,400
and work and communicate with spirits

2690
01:47:47,189 --> 01:47:46,000
and ghosts all the time and to them

2691
01:47:48,830 --> 01:47:47,199
that's normal and it wouldn't be

2692
01:47:52,070 --> 01:47:48,840
considered an experience

2693
01:47:53,990 --> 01:47:52,080
but right now um

2694
01:47:56,709 --> 01:47:54,000
unfortunate ufology it's kind of like an

2695
01:47:59,590 --> 01:47:56,719
old white man's game

2696
01:48:00,149 --> 01:47:59,600
so uh a majority of the experiencers

2697
01:48:04,070 --> 01:48:00,159
that

2698
01:48:07,109 --> 01:48:04,080
come up to me are are older white males

2699
01:48:08,950 --> 01:48:07,119
and uh women because they they feel more

2700
01:48:10,950 --> 01:48:08,960
secure working with another woman as an

2701
01:48:13,990 --> 01:48:10,960
experiencer

2702
01:48:14,870 --> 01:48:14,000
when uh and what about uh a latino

2703
01:48:18,790 --> 01:48:14,880
background

2704
01:48:23,750 --> 01:48:18,800
that too

2705
01:48:26,790 --> 01:48:23,760
as well yeah it's every ethnicity

2706
01:48:29,750 --> 01:48:26,800
i i find that interesting and um

2707
01:48:30,390 --> 01:48:29,760
coming off of ufo megacon and i i've

2708
01:48:33,910 --> 01:48:30,400
said this

2709
01:48:37,590 --> 01:48:33,920
at about most conferences

2710
01:48:40,790 --> 01:48:37,600
i'm gonna say that that was 50 50

2711
01:48:43,270 --> 01:48:40,800
50 50 male female i'm going to say that

2712
01:48:46,550 --> 01:48:43,280
that was split right down the middle

2713
01:48:49,350 --> 01:48:46,560
the attendees yeah yeah right did you

2714
01:48:52,550 --> 01:48:49,360
see the same thing

2715
01:48:53,750 --> 01:48:52,560
yeah it was definitely it was it was

2716
01:48:55,750 --> 01:48:53,760
male and female i think there were a lot

2717
01:48:58,070 --> 01:48:55,760
of married couples that were there but

2718
01:48:59,270 --> 01:48:58,080
not very many young people not as many

2719
01:49:02,229 --> 01:48:59,280
as i was hoping for

2720
01:49:04,310 --> 01:49:02,239
now there yeah yeah there was that

2721
01:49:07,750 --> 01:49:04,320
component was

2722
01:49:10,070 --> 01:49:07,760
uh a little bit missing i was expecting

2723
01:49:11,669 --> 01:49:10,080
uh a bit more but we're off the end of a

2724
01:49:13,990 --> 01:49:11,679
pandemic and

2725
01:49:15,830 --> 01:49:14,000
you know there's no telling who was

2726
01:49:19,350 --> 01:49:15,840
going to show up this time around

2727
01:49:23,189 --> 01:49:19,360
um but that's the other part what about

2728
01:49:26,149 --> 01:49:23,199
married couples do they approach you

2729
01:49:26,629 --> 01:49:26,159
there were a lot of married couples um

2730
01:49:31,669 --> 01:49:26,639
at

2731
01:49:33,109 --> 01:49:31,679
and both wanted to talk to me about

2732
01:49:35,830 --> 01:49:33,119
their experiences i

2733
01:49:37,030 --> 01:49:35,840
i had that every every single day at uh

2734
01:49:39,270 --> 01:49:37,040
ufo megacon

2735
01:49:40,709 --> 01:49:39,280
for you in your research with this 10

2736
01:49:43,990 --> 01:49:40,719
years of data

2737
01:49:46,550 --> 01:49:44,000
married couples yeah i've

2738
01:49:47,270 --> 01:49:46,560
i've worked with several um the one

2739
01:49:51,350 --> 01:49:47,280
that's done

2740
01:49:54,790 --> 01:49:53,350
it was the the husband that wanted to

2741
01:49:55,350 --> 01:49:54,800
come forward and wanted to tell this

2742
01:49:57,430 --> 01:49:55,360
story

2743
01:49:58,790 --> 01:49:57,440
not because he really wanted treatment

2744
01:50:00,229 --> 01:49:58,800
or anything he was just hoping that

2745
01:50:02,070 --> 01:50:00,239
through my research he could eventually

2746
01:50:03,830 --> 01:50:02,080
help someone with it

2747
01:50:05,910 --> 01:50:03,840
but him and the wife were both

2748
01:50:07,669 --> 01:50:05,920
full-blown experiencers but she was so

2749
01:50:10,629 --> 01:50:07,679
terrified of it like she wouldn't even

2750
01:50:13,990 --> 01:50:10,639
talk about it she barely spoke to me

2751
01:50:17,510 --> 01:50:16,070
working with husbands and wives it's

2752
01:50:18,950 --> 01:50:17,520
it's interesting to kind of get a

2753
01:50:20,390 --> 01:50:18,960
different perspective on the same

2754
01:50:21,910 --> 01:50:20,400
phenomena but

2755
01:50:23,109 --> 01:50:21,920
sometimes there's just one that won't

2756
01:50:24,470 --> 01:50:23,119
want to talk about it at all and then

2757
01:50:25,350 --> 01:50:24,480
there's another one that will talk your

2758
01:50:27,669 --> 01:50:25,360
ear off

2759
01:50:29,270 --> 01:50:27,679
well and you're talking about ptsd and

2760
01:50:31,270 --> 01:50:29,280
stress and trauma

2761
01:50:32,950 --> 01:50:31,280
it could probably break up a marriage

2762
01:50:37,350 --> 01:50:32,960
too as well

2763
01:50:41,030 --> 01:50:37,360
absolutely so was that your daughter

2764
01:50:44,149 --> 01:50:41,040
no my daughter

2765
01:50:47,350 --> 01:50:44,159
i said is that her um

2766
01:50:50,470 --> 01:50:47,360
but yeah can it break up a marriage

2767
01:50:52,950 --> 01:50:50,480
absolutely um

2768
01:50:53,510 --> 01:50:52,960
so i'm divorced i was married previously

2769
01:50:55,589 --> 01:50:53,520
and

2770
01:50:57,030 --> 01:50:55,599
i noticed that as soon as i got into the

2771
01:51:00,149 --> 01:50:57,040
ufo world

2772
01:51:02,229 --> 01:51:00,159
and i was acknowledging my experiences

2773
01:51:04,229 --> 01:51:02,239
and i was starting to become you know

2774
01:51:06,229 --> 01:51:04,239
this is happening to me this is valid

2775
01:51:08,390 --> 01:51:06,239
this is happening to other people

2776
01:51:10,149 --> 01:51:08,400
it became a big point of contention in

2777
01:51:12,870 --> 01:51:10,159
our marriage um

2778
01:51:13,830 --> 01:51:12,880
and it just made no sense to me that i

2779
01:51:15,910 --> 01:51:13,840
was like you know you don't

2780
01:51:17,830 --> 01:51:15,920
have to support my work but at least you

2781
01:51:20,629 --> 01:51:17,840
can support your wife right

2782
01:51:22,629 --> 01:51:20,639
and he just thought that these people

2783
01:51:24,070 --> 01:51:22,639
were having some kind of mental episode

2784
01:51:25,510 --> 01:51:24,080
that they were lying they were just

2785
01:51:29,910 --> 01:51:25,520
doing it for attention

2786
01:51:32,149 --> 01:51:29,920
and it was disgusting i was like

2787
01:51:33,189 --> 01:51:32,159
why why would you say all of that why

2788
01:51:34,310 --> 01:51:33,199
would it matter

2789
01:51:35,910 --> 01:51:34,320
but yeah i think that that was a

2790
01:51:37,109 --> 01:51:35,920
contributing factor into why we

2791
01:51:39,830 --> 01:51:37,119
eventually broke up

2792
01:51:41,589 --> 01:51:39,840
he just he did not want to deal with it

2793
01:51:45,990 --> 01:51:41,599
and the craziest thing is that he was a

2794
01:51:50,790 --> 01:51:48,950
is that right did you guys experience

2795
01:51:55,030 --> 01:51:50,800
anything together

2796
01:51:58,709 --> 01:51:55,040
oh yeah tons of paranormal stuff that

2797
01:52:02,070 --> 01:51:58,719
you just look the other way the um now

2798
01:52:03,030 --> 01:52:02,080
uh and staying on that because uh you

2799
01:52:04,870 --> 01:52:03,040
know the couples

2800
01:52:07,830 --> 01:52:04,880
that are listening to me right now or

2801
01:52:10,629 --> 01:52:07,840
there may be the situation where

2802
01:52:12,229 --> 01:52:10,639
one is maybe doubting the others

2803
01:52:15,830 --> 01:52:12,239
experiences

2804
01:52:17,030 --> 01:52:15,840
um and maybe the ufo community and

2805
01:52:18,149 --> 01:52:17,040
you've got somebody else that is

2806
01:52:19,830 --> 01:52:18,159
supporting it

2807
01:52:21,669 --> 01:52:19,840
but now we've got the white house and

2808
01:52:25,589 --> 01:52:21,679
we've got the media and

2809
01:52:29,589 --> 01:52:25,599
and everything where that spouse can say

2810
01:52:31,030 --> 01:52:29,599
hey right i'm not the only one now this

2811
01:52:32,950 --> 01:52:31,040
is what i've been on about

2812
01:52:34,550 --> 01:52:32,960
now everybody is talking about it now

2813
01:52:35,990 --> 01:52:34,560
what do you have to say

2814
01:52:38,870 --> 01:52:36,000
or that you know that puts their

2815
01:52:41,750 --> 01:52:38,880
position absolutely stronger

2816
01:52:43,430 --> 01:52:41,760
and i don't know if validating is the

2817
01:52:44,070 --> 01:52:43,440
right word and i don't think anybody

2818
01:52:46,070 --> 01:52:44,080
should

2819
01:52:47,510 --> 01:52:46,080
look for validation with what is

2820
01:52:50,149 --> 01:52:47,520
happening in the media

2821
01:52:51,350 --> 01:52:50,159
but certainly it would suggest that they

2822
01:52:53,750 --> 01:52:51,360
are not alone

2823
01:52:55,430 --> 01:52:53,760
and that others are going through this

2824
01:52:57,589 --> 01:52:55,440
so that component is now

2825
01:52:59,510 --> 01:52:57,599
thrown in and we have to deal with that

2826
01:53:01,750 --> 01:52:59,520
too right

2827
01:53:04,070 --> 01:53:01,760
absolutely but at the same time you know

2828
01:53:07,109 --> 01:53:04,080
there are those people where

2829
01:53:08,709 --> 01:53:07,119
if they just don't want to hear it they

2830
01:53:09,910 --> 01:53:08,719
just don't want to hear it and it can be

2831
01:53:13,910 --> 01:53:09,920
so

2832
01:53:15,109 --> 01:53:13,920
actually had one married couple where

2833
01:53:18,310 --> 01:53:15,119
the wife was having

2834
01:53:22,229 --> 01:53:18,320
um experiences almost every night

2835
01:53:25,350 --> 01:53:22,239
she said i had compiled over 300

2836
01:53:27,510 --> 01:53:25,360
hours of like footage from her house of

2837
01:53:29,270 --> 01:53:27,520
her waking up screaming from nightmares

2838
01:53:31,589 --> 01:53:29,280
and orbs and stuff moving

2839
01:53:33,109 --> 01:53:31,599
and she said it was all to prove to my

2840
01:53:35,350 --> 01:53:33,119
husband that this was happening to me

2841
01:53:37,510 --> 01:53:35,360
and that i wasn't crazy

2842
01:53:38,790 --> 01:53:37,520
so they ended up splitting up anyway and

2843
01:53:40,629 --> 01:53:38,800
then he turned around

2844
01:53:42,709 --> 01:53:40,639
and tried to use all of that evidence in

2845
01:53:44,070 --> 01:53:42,719
court to prove that she was crazy so

2846
01:53:47,430 --> 01:53:44,080
that he could get the kids

2847
01:53:50,550 --> 01:53:47,440
and i was just wow

2848
01:53:54,550 --> 01:53:50,560
wow wow wow and that's

2849
01:53:56,310 --> 01:53:54,560
that's real ptsd how is she doing today

2850
01:53:58,629 --> 01:53:56,320
she's doing a lot better she's a lot

2851
01:54:00,229 --> 01:53:58,639
happier she still has her girls she's

2852
01:54:02,950 --> 01:54:00,239
okay but

2853
01:54:06,149 --> 01:54:02,960
that was an extremely rough freaking

2854
01:54:08,310 --> 01:54:06,159
time for her she's an amazing survivor

2855
01:54:10,310 --> 01:54:08,320
okay now i want to talk about something

2856
01:54:12,629 --> 01:54:10,320
a little more fun

2857
01:54:14,470 --> 01:54:12,639
but it's also traumatic when we come

2858
01:54:15,350 --> 01:54:14,480
back off off of the break we're going to

2859
01:54:17,750 --> 01:54:15,360
talk about you

2860
01:54:19,189 --> 01:54:17,760
and your experiences save the best for

2861
01:54:23,350 --> 01:54:19,199
last for me

2862
01:54:27,189 --> 01:54:23,360
but um when somebody meets

2863
01:54:30,310 --> 01:54:27,199
physically uh you know a being

2864
01:54:32,390 --> 01:54:30,320
not from this earth and that is going

2865
01:54:35,109 --> 01:54:32,400
down that's a life-changing

2866
01:54:36,310 --> 01:54:35,119
that's a paradigm shift that's a crazy

2867
01:54:40,070 --> 01:54:36,320
moment

2868
01:54:40,390 --> 01:54:40,080
and how much of that is is presented to

2869
01:54:42,550 --> 01:54:40,400
you

2870
01:54:44,070 --> 01:54:42,560
and how does somebody deal with this

2871
01:54:47,430 --> 01:54:44,080
without losing their mind

2872
01:54:50,070 --> 01:54:47,440
and and how many think they are crazy

2873
01:54:53,510 --> 01:54:50,080
when they have this physical experience

2874
01:54:57,350 --> 01:54:55,030
almost all of them think that they're

2875
01:54:58,870 --> 01:54:57,360
crazy at first but

2876
01:55:00,390 --> 01:54:58,880
here's what i like to tell them is that

2877
01:55:02,390 --> 01:55:00,400
no one can ever promise you

2878
01:55:04,070 --> 01:55:02,400
that you'll be okay no one can ever

2879
01:55:05,510 --> 01:55:04,080
promise that they don't know you they

2880
01:55:07,990 --> 01:55:05,520
don't know your life

2881
01:55:09,189 --> 01:55:08,000
but if you keep going and you believe

2882
01:55:11,510 --> 01:55:09,199
that change is possible

2883
01:55:13,270 --> 01:55:11,520
and you work hard for those changes i

2884
01:55:14,229 --> 01:55:13,280
can promise that things will be

2885
01:55:16,310 --> 01:55:14,239
different for you

2886
01:55:18,550 --> 01:55:16,320
you'll be in a different place it may

2887
01:55:20,149 --> 01:55:18,560
not necessarily be what you wanted

2888
01:55:22,629 --> 01:55:20,159
but it will be different if you keep

2889
01:55:25,990 --> 01:55:22,639
going and if you keep trying

2890
01:55:27,109 --> 01:55:26,000
and when you meet uh when you meet a

2891
01:55:33,510 --> 01:55:27,119
friend

2892
01:55:37,030 --> 01:55:33,520
not of this earth what's the advice

2893
01:55:38,790 --> 01:55:37,040
i mean it's not all bad if it's scary

2894
01:55:40,229 --> 01:55:38,800
i definitely recommend to people like

2895
01:55:41,030 --> 01:55:40,239
you know you can tell them to go away

2896
01:55:43,189 --> 01:55:41,040
like eventually

2897
01:55:44,629 --> 01:55:43,199
you can fight back and you know it

2898
01:55:47,189 --> 01:55:44,639
doesn't have to be completely out of

2899
01:55:49,990 --> 01:55:47,199
your control but some people

2900
01:55:51,109 --> 01:55:50,000
love their ets they play games with them

2901
01:55:52,790 --> 01:55:51,119
they've been with them since they were

2902
01:55:54,470 --> 01:55:52,800
little

2903
01:55:55,990 --> 01:55:54,480
if you get to meet an alien in real life

2904
01:55:58,149 --> 01:55:56,000
wow that would be so cool

2905
01:55:59,589 --> 01:55:58,159
if you got to like choose which kind you

2906
01:56:01,589 --> 01:55:59,599
got to meet and everything

2907
01:56:03,270 --> 01:56:01,599
that would be so neat i mean what would

2908
01:56:05,350 --> 01:56:03,280
you ask what would you say like what's

2909
01:56:08,310 --> 01:56:05,360
the meaning of life

2910
01:56:10,070 --> 01:56:08,320
don't forget to bring your towel what's

2911
01:56:13,510 --> 01:56:10,080
the food like

2912
01:56:16,870 --> 01:56:13,520
which is

2913
01:56:19,669 --> 01:56:16,880
always going to be uh my first question

2914
01:56:21,030 --> 01:56:19,679
but um you just talk about defense you

2915
01:56:23,030 --> 01:56:21,040
said earlier

2916
01:56:24,790 --> 01:56:23,040
you know especially you know the parent

2917
01:56:25,990 --> 01:56:24,800
with the children how do i get this to

2918
01:56:28,550 --> 01:56:26,000
stop

2919
01:56:29,750 --> 01:56:28,560
well what can somebody do if they wanted

2920
01:56:32,870 --> 01:56:29,760
to stop what

2921
01:56:35,669 --> 01:56:32,880
what what's the first step

2922
01:56:37,189 --> 01:56:35,679
um a lot of people try moving and that

2923
01:56:39,430 --> 01:56:37,199
either works or it doesn't

2924
01:56:42,070 --> 01:56:39,440
unfortunately this phenomenon tends to

2925
01:56:44,149 --> 01:56:42,080
follow them around um

2926
01:56:46,149 --> 01:56:44,159
one of the moms that i've spoken to she

2927
01:56:47,669 --> 01:56:46,159
tries to to kind of collect all the

2928
01:56:52,470 --> 01:56:47,679
activity onto her

2929
01:56:55,990 --> 01:56:54,470
there are a lot of things people can try

2930
01:56:59,030 --> 01:56:56,000
what i don't recommend

2931
01:57:00,629 --> 01:56:59,040
is uh like having someone coming in with

2932
01:57:02,550 --> 01:57:00,639
that from a religious standpoint and

2933
01:57:03,589 --> 01:57:02,560
trying to have the home like blessed or

2934
01:57:05,350 --> 01:57:03,599
exercised

2935
01:57:06,950 --> 01:57:05,360
that usually just makes things a lot

2936
01:57:10,390 --> 01:57:06,960
worse but

2937
01:57:13,669 --> 01:57:10,400
uh definitely stress relief

2938
01:57:15,109 --> 01:57:13,679
as as long as the kid is they know that

2939
01:57:17,990 --> 01:57:15,119
they're safe and that they'll be calm

2940
01:57:21,910 --> 01:57:18,000
you know the calmer they are because

2941
01:57:23,589 --> 01:57:21,920
uh i can't talk right now the the worst

2942
01:57:25,189 --> 01:57:23,599
thing about it is that the more stressed

2943
01:57:28,229 --> 01:57:25,199
you are and the more negative you are it

2944
01:57:30,070 --> 01:57:28,239
just it feeds this stuff like wildfire

2945
01:57:31,510 --> 01:57:30,080
so i tell them like okay teach your kid

2946
01:57:33,030 --> 01:57:31,520
how to meditate make sure that they're

2947
01:57:34,470 --> 01:57:33,040
getting good mental health make sure

2948
01:57:37,510 --> 01:57:34,480
that you're listening to them

2949
01:57:39,669 --> 01:57:37,520
um a lot of the time they've tried doing

2950
01:57:41,030 --> 01:57:39,679
uh like staging the house or smudging it

2951
01:57:42,790 --> 01:57:41,040
sometimes that can help

2952
01:57:44,709 --> 01:57:42,800
it really depends on the phenomena that

2953
01:57:46,709 --> 01:57:44,719
they're dealing with but

2954
01:57:48,470 --> 01:57:46,719
a lot of moms just really dug in their

2955
01:57:49,030 --> 01:57:48,480
their heels and they're like this is my

2956
01:57:51,990 --> 01:57:49,040
house

2957
01:57:52,470 --> 01:57:52,000
this is my kid you are not going to mess

2958
01:57:55,750 --> 01:57:52,480
with him

2959
01:57:57,189 --> 01:57:55,760
any more and that works like

2960
01:57:59,270 --> 01:57:57,199
some moms are so scary that they can

2961
01:58:01,750 --> 01:57:59,280
tell intergalactic bullies to go away

2962
01:58:03,669 --> 01:58:01,760
yeah yeah my mom would there's no

2963
01:58:05,589 --> 01:58:03,679
question about that let's take our break

2964
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3062
02:02:03,109 --> 02:02:00,800
and get up to twenty five hundred

3063
02:02:03,750 --> 02:02:03,119
dollars in free gold or silver with a

3064
02:02:08,790 --> 02:02:03,760
qualified

3065
02:02:12,470 --> 02:02:08,800
ira call 800-753-8534

3066
02:02:21,890 --> 02:02:12,480
that's 800-753-85534

3067
02:02:27,910 --> 02:02:24,709
[Applause]

3068
02:02:31,669 --> 02:02:27,920
you want to know a secret i love

3069
02:02:33,589 --> 02:02:31,679
police i really love ponies i'm serious

3070
02:02:35,270 --> 02:02:33,599
i couldn't stay sane without pulling

3071
02:02:38,550 --> 02:02:35,280
instabrush

3072
02:02:39,510 --> 02:02:38,560
why fade to black because you never got

3073
02:02:43,830 --> 02:02:39,520
that pony

3074
02:02:48,390 --> 02:02:45,990
this is fade to black with jimmy church

3075
02:03:03,450 --> 02:02:48,400
on the game changer radio network

3076
02:03:08,629 --> 02:03:06,950
[Music]

3077
02:03:09,990 --> 02:03:08,639
welcome back fade to black i am your

3078
02:03:12,950 --> 02:03:10,000
host jimmy church tonight

3079
02:03:13,990 --> 02:03:12,960
nk cranda is here with us talking about

3080
02:03:17,350 --> 02:03:14,000
experiencers

3081
02:03:20,870 --> 02:03:17,360
trauma ptsd her 10 years of research

3082
02:03:23,510 --> 02:03:20,880
it's a fascinating subject for me and

3083
02:03:23,990 --> 02:03:23,520
you know certainly with uh the people

3084
02:03:27,350 --> 02:03:24,000
that i

3085
02:03:30,790 --> 02:03:27,360
interview and and hang out with and and

3086
02:03:33,910 --> 02:03:30,800
nk this is the deal you never know

3087
02:03:34,709 --> 02:03:33,920
about somebody's personal life you don't

3088
02:03:37,109 --> 02:03:34,719
know

3089
02:03:38,550 --> 02:03:37,119
uh an experiencer can be talk but you

3090
02:03:41,589 --> 02:03:38,560
don't know what's going on

3091
02:03:42,790 --> 02:03:41,599
in their personal life when like say

3092
02:03:45,510 --> 02:03:42,800
they're on the show or me

3093
02:03:47,270 --> 02:03:45,520
personally right my personal life and

3094
02:03:50,149 --> 02:03:47,280
and what i'm dealing with

3095
02:03:50,550 --> 02:03:50,159
all of the time i'm human i've got a

3096
02:03:53,350 --> 02:03:50,560
life

3097
02:03:53,830 --> 02:03:53,360
right my dog malcolm just died right my

3098
02:03:56,870 --> 02:03:53,840
father

3099
02:03:57,910 --> 02:03:56,880
just passed away and uh had to move the

3100
02:04:01,350 --> 02:03:57,920
bunker for

3101
02:04:03,430 --> 02:04:01,360
various reasons and and and that's just

3102
02:04:04,950 --> 02:04:03,440
there and underneath that there's just

3103
02:04:07,270 --> 02:04:04,960
things that

3104
02:04:08,550 --> 02:04:07,280
uh i have been dealing with uh in the

3105
02:04:11,589 --> 02:04:08,560
last three or four months

3106
02:04:13,270 --> 02:04:11,599
life changing situation but i'm here on

3107
02:04:16,550 --> 02:04:13,280
the show every night

3108
02:04:18,790 --> 02:04:16,560
you know doing the show and i don't it's

3109
02:04:22,229 --> 02:04:18,800
the same thing with experiencers

3110
02:04:24,950 --> 02:04:22,239
now you're dealing with experiencers

3111
02:04:26,149 --> 02:04:24,960
and they may or may not know that you're

3112
02:04:29,510 --> 02:04:26,159
an experiencer

3113
02:04:30,310 --> 02:04:29,520
yourself and right and you're a mom and

3114
02:04:32,390 --> 02:04:30,320
you've got your

3115
02:04:35,669 --> 02:04:32,400
own life that you're dealing with you've

3116
02:04:37,750 --> 02:04:35,679
got your own forms of ptsd

3117
02:04:39,750 --> 02:04:37,760
you've got a beautiful young girl that

3118
02:04:41,350 --> 02:04:39,760
is just uh

3119
02:04:43,270 --> 02:04:41,360
gonna bring all of that stuff into your

3120
02:04:47,189 --> 02:04:43,280
life just right there so

3121
02:04:49,669 --> 02:04:47,199
um but you're an experiencer

3122
02:04:50,629 --> 02:04:49,679
and i i i wanna i wanna talk about you

3123
02:04:54,470 --> 02:04:50,639
for a second

3124
02:04:57,430 --> 02:04:54,480
um when uh you said that uh

3125
02:04:59,750 --> 02:04:57,440
you know you you you went to move on

3126
02:05:01,990 --> 02:04:59,760
start to find out things but then

3127
02:05:04,149 --> 02:05:02,000
you after seven years you found a

3128
02:05:07,189 --> 02:05:04,159
therapist that you trusted

3129
02:05:10,069 --> 02:05:07,199
and you start to go through what you

3130
02:05:11,109 --> 02:05:10,079
are counseling and gathering information

3131
02:05:13,430 --> 02:05:11,119
on

3132
02:05:15,990 --> 02:05:13,440
so what did you find out tell me about

3133
02:05:21,750 --> 02:05:19,990
my uh my extraterrestrial experiences

3134
02:05:24,390 --> 02:05:21,760
are just my life experiences

3135
02:05:25,589 --> 02:05:24,400
no we'll leave the life experiences for

3136
02:05:29,750 --> 02:05:25,599
another show

3137
02:05:33,030 --> 02:05:29,760
but yeah what did you find out

3138
02:05:35,910 --> 02:05:33,040
so we actually came to the conclusion

3139
02:05:36,550 --> 02:05:35,920
i i just thought i was very hyper

3140
02:05:39,109 --> 02:05:36,560
vigilant

3141
02:05:40,709 --> 02:05:39,119
which you know that's a side effect of

3142
02:05:42,550 --> 02:05:40,719
ptsd where

3143
02:05:44,390 --> 02:05:42,560
i'm always watching people's body

3144
02:05:45,830 --> 02:05:44,400
language i'm listening to the tone of

3145
02:05:49,430 --> 02:05:45,840
their voice you know i'm very

3146
02:05:51,189 --> 02:05:49,440
aware of my surroundings because of

3147
02:05:52,870 --> 02:05:51,199
abuse that happened to me but we

3148
02:05:53,750 --> 02:05:52,880
actually were able to figure out that

3149
02:05:57,830 --> 02:05:53,760
i'm

3150
02:06:03,750 --> 02:06:00,870
and i had no idea

3151
02:06:05,109 --> 02:06:03,760
i really can i can walk into a room and

3152
02:06:06,709 --> 02:06:05,119
just sort of like people's

3153
02:06:07,910 --> 02:06:06,719
emotions will just kind of like wash

3154
02:06:09,910 --> 02:06:07,920
over me i can tell if they're really

3155
02:06:11,910 --> 02:06:09,920
really happy i can tell if they're

3156
02:06:13,270 --> 02:06:11,920
upset and kind of hiding something from

3157
02:06:14,950 --> 02:06:13,280
me i can tell

3158
02:06:17,430 --> 02:06:14,960
most of the time when people are lying

3159
02:06:21,189 --> 02:06:17,440
to me but i had no idea that i was an

3160
02:06:25,990 --> 02:06:24,390
um and uh but back to i like the i like

3161
02:06:28,870 --> 02:06:26,000
your dance around the e.t

3162
02:06:31,030 --> 02:06:28,880
subject that was uh that was smooth but

3163
02:06:34,390 --> 02:06:31,040
it wasn't that smooth

3164
02:06:37,669 --> 02:06:34,400
so um but what did you find out was it

3165
02:06:41,750 --> 02:06:37,679
an abduction experience was it

3166
02:06:43,990 --> 02:06:41,760
uh something earlier in life

3167
02:06:46,470 --> 02:06:44,000
um as far as that abduction experience

3168
02:06:48,550 --> 02:06:46,480
goes i i figured out that it happened

3169
02:06:50,390 --> 02:06:48,560
two more times i thought that it was

3170
02:06:51,750 --> 02:06:50,400
just the one time

3171
02:06:53,589 --> 02:06:51,760
there were two other times so it

3172
02:06:55,510 --> 02:06:53,599
happened once in new mexico it happened

3173
02:06:56,550 --> 02:06:55,520
once in colorado and it happened once in

3174
02:07:00,310 --> 02:06:56,560
texas

3175
02:07:02,629 --> 02:07:00,320
so it followed me around and um

3176
02:07:03,830 --> 02:07:02,639
so it would start with sleep paralysis

3177
02:07:06,470 --> 02:07:03,840
and i would wake up

3178
02:07:08,310 --> 02:07:06,480
and something would push on my chest and

3179
02:07:09,510 --> 02:07:08,320
it was almost like being lifted out of

3180
02:07:11,270 --> 02:07:09,520
your body

3181
02:07:13,910 --> 02:07:11,280
and at the first time i thought i was

3182
02:07:17,270 --> 02:07:13,920
dying i was like is this

3183
02:07:19,109 --> 02:07:17,280
what heaven is like am i dead and

3184
02:07:21,270 --> 02:07:19,119
like a voice just kind of chuckled and

3185
02:07:22,870 --> 02:07:21,280
said no

3186
02:07:24,709 --> 02:07:22,880
and then like them kind of like putting

3187
02:07:27,750 --> 02:07:24,719
you back

3188
02:07:29,350 --> 02:07:27,760
so as far as i know they were uh just

3189
02:07:30,790 --> 02:07:29,360
checking on me just making sure that i

3190
02:07:32,629 --> 02:07:30,800
was okay

3191
02:07:34,550 --> 02:07:32,639
um as far as i know i haven't had any

3192
02:07:36,470 --> 02:07:34,560
like medical interventions or weird

3193
02:07:38,310 --> 02:07:36,480
bruises or anything like that which i'm

3194
02:07:40,470 --> 02:07:38,320
very thankful of but

3195
02:07:43,109 --> 02:07:40,480
what happened okay let's go in order

3196
02:07:44,790 --> 02:07:43,119
here what happened in new mexico

3197
02:07:47,109 --> 02:07:44,800
new mexico is when i got dragged out of

3198
02:07:50,149 --> 02:07:47,119
the bed and what happened

3199
02:07:53,030 --> 02:07:50,159
in colorado colorado

3200
02:07:54,870 --> 02:07:53,040
uh that's the first time that they did

3201
02:07:56,550 --> 02:07:54,880
the pushing down on my chest and pulling

3202
02:07:58,149 --> 02:07:56,560
me up type of thing and that's when they

3203
02:08:00,149 --> 02:07:58,159
talked to me when

3204
02:08:02,069 --> 02:08:00,159
i said is this heaven like am i dying

3205
02:08:04,069 --> 02:08:02,079
and they said no

3206
02:08:05,750 --> 02:08:04,079
and i don't remember anything after that

3207
02:08:06,390 --> 02:08:05,760
and then the third time was here in

3208
02:08:08,870 --> 02:08:06,400
texas

3209
02:08:09,589 --> 02:08:08,880
okay how old were you in colorado when

3210
02:08:12,950 --> 02:08:09,599
this happened

3211
02:08:15,030 --> 02:08:12,960
how how long ago uh

3212
02:08:17,350 --> 02:08:15,040
i think it was about three years ago

3213
02:08:20,790 --> 02:08:17,360
really so this is recent

3214
02:08:24,069 --> 02:08:20,800
yeah okay uh the next event

3215
02:08:25,910 --> 02:08:24,079
where was that and then the most recent

3216
02:08:28,950 --> 02:08:25,920
one i believe was about

3217
02:08:32,390 --> 02:08:28,960
well you said four so that was two

3218
02:08:34,229 --> 02:08:32,400
new mexico there's three there's three

3219
02:08:35,910 --> 02:08:34,239
so there's new mexico colorado and then

3220
02:08:36,629 --> 02:08:35,920
here in texas was about a year and a

3221
02:08:41,189 --> 02:08:36,639
half ago

3222
02:08:45,109 --> 02:08:41,199
and what happened um

3223
02:08:46,629 --> 02:08:45,119
they started moving stuff in my house

3224
02:08:48,870 --> 02:08:46,639
and i thought that it was just some kind

3225
02:08:51,510 --> 02:08:48,880
of prank that somebody was playing

3226
02:08:53,189 --> 02:08:51,520
but they were moving stuff inside of my

3227
02:08:56,390 --> 02:08:53,199
house i was starting to have really

3228
02:08:58,870 --> 02:08:56,400
um vivid

3229
02:09:00,149 --> 02:08:58,880
dreams almost to the point where i was

3230
02:09:02,790 --> 02:09:00,159
like

3231
02:09:03,589 --> 02:09:02,800
seeing the future a couple of times and

3232
02:09:05,430 --> 02:09:03,599
then again

3233
02:09:07,589 --> 02:09:05,440
one more time they did the whole pushing

3234
02:09:09,030 --> 02:09:07,599
down on my chest sleep paralysis

3235
02:09:10,950 --> 02:09:09,040
feeling like you're being lifted up when

3236
02:09:15,109 --> 02:09:10,960
i was out

3237
02:09:18,310 --> 02:09:15,119
now have you discussed this

3238
02:09:22,390 --> 02:09:18,320
in a group

3239
02:09:25,669 --> 02:09:22,400
really come up that often

3240
02:09:29,669 --> 02:09:25,679
i don't talk very much that's my point

3241
02:09:32,470 --> 02:09:29,679
how do you discuss your own experiences

3242
02:09:34,470 --> 02:09:32,480
so you need you need to take this to the

3243
02:09:37,589 --> 02:09:34,480
next level

3244
02:09:39,750 --> 02:09:37,599
so if i do a preservation with someone

3245
02:09:41,030 --> 02:09:39,760
they usually ask if i have experiences

3246
02:09:43,109 --> 02:09:41,040
of my own and

3247
02:09:45,109 --> 02:09:43,119
i'll delve into it with them a little

3248
02:09:46,629 --> 02:09:45,119
bit but most of the time

3249
02:09:49,109 --> 02:09:46,639
i'm doing active listening and i'm

3250
02:09:50,709 --> 02:09:49,119
asking them questions so they don't

3251
02:09:52,149 --> 02:09:50,719
i don't talk very much about my own

3252
02:09:55,350 --> 02:09:52,159
experiences

3253
02:10:04,870 --> 02:09:55,360
now but we are now see i i'm

3254
02:10:04,880 --> 02:10:10,149
i'm jc um is uh

3255
02:10:14,629 --> 02:10:13,510
the experience of of having somebody

3256
02:10:17,189 --> 02:10:14,639
push down and and

3257
02:10:18,310 --> 02:10:17,199
lift you up it's it's out of your

3258
02:10:22,470 --> 02:10:18,320
control

3259
02:10:26,149 --> 02:10:24,629
at first i was terrified but once i kind

3260
02:10:27,350 --> 02:10:26,159
of figured out that like okay they're

3261
02:10:31,109 --> 02:10:27,360
not

3262
02:10:32,629 --> 02:10:31,119
me um

3263
02:10:34,629 --> 02:10:32,639
it's just kind of something that i went

3264
02:10:36,550 --> 02:10:34,639
with and it's almost like as soon as i

3265
02:10:38,870 --> 02:10:36,560
was okay with it and i stopped

3266
02:10:41,430 --> 02:10:38,880
worrying about it it stopped happening

3267
02:10:42,870 --> 02:10:41,440
right right except for the third time

3268
02:10:45,109 --> 02:10:42,880
the third time is when he stopped

3269
02:10:47,189 --> 02:10:45,119
worrying about it

3270
02:10:48,470 --> 02:10:47,199
yeah the it happened twice and it was

3271
02:10:50,950 --> 02:10:48,480
just kind of like i woke up and i'm like

3272
02:10:54,149 --> 02:10:50,960
oh okay this is gonna happen again

3273
02:10:54,790 --> 02:10:54,159
and then after that nothing now what

3274
02:10:57,189 --> 02:10:54,800
makes you

3275
02:10:59,350 --> 02:10:57,199
feel that this was an e.t experience and

3276
02:11:02,870 --> 02:10:59,360
not something more supernatural

3277
02:11:05,030 --> 02:11:02,880
spirit-based because i've dealt with a

3278
02:11:06,709 --> 02:11:05,040
spirit-based and supernatural phenomena

3279
02:11:07,510 --> 02:11:06,719
before those are also some of my

3280
02:11:10,229 --> 02:11:07,520
experiences

3281
02:11:10,709 --> 02:11:10,239
and this was completely and utterly

3282
02:11:15,589 --> 02:11:10,719
different

3283
02:11:17,270 --> 02:11:15,599
it matched up a lot with what my

3284
02:11:19,189 --> 02:11:17,280
experience or say

3285
02:11:20,950 --> 02:11:19,199
being abducted is like you know the

3286
02:11:22,470 --> 02:11:20,960
sleep paralysis the pressure on your

3287
02:11:26,069 --> 02:11:22,480
chest you know

3288
02:11:27,430 --> 02:11:26,079
like the um the very loud humming noise

3289
02:11:29,510 --> 02:11:27,440
that you hear

3290
02:11:32,870 --> 02:11:29,520
so they kind of convinced me that it was

3291
02:11:35,510 --> 02:11:32,880
more of a a taking event

3292
02:11:37,430 --> 02:11:35,520
were you taken that was and you said

3293
02:11:40,470 --> 02:11:37,440
abduction

3294
02:11:43,750 --> 02:11:40,480
yeah i don't know if i

3295
02:11:47,030 --> 02:11:43,760
was taken or where i was taken but

3296
02:11:53,109 --> 02:11:47,040
something happened the uh did you

3297
02:11:56,950 --> 02:11:53,119
see a presence um in your room

3298
02:11:57,589 --> 02:11:56,960
no every time i tried to to open my eyes

3299
02:12:00,470 --> 02:11:57,599
to like

3300
02:12:02,229 --> 02:12:00,480
look and see i couldn't because of the

3301
02:12:03,350 --> 02:12:02,239
sleep paralysis and they've only talked

3302
02:12:04,950 --> 02:12:03,360
to me one time

3303
02:12:09,910 --> 02:12:04,960
which is to kind of chuckle and say no

3304
02:12:16,470 --> 02:12:13,430
that was telepathy that was in your mind

3305
02:12:18,950 --> 02:12:16,480
you didn't hear something in some you

3306
02:12:22,470 --> 02:12:18,960
know it wasn't a physical voice

3307
02:12:24,629 --> 02:12:22,480
no it wasn't um now back to the sleep

3308
02:12:27,750 --> 02:12:24,639
paralysis part of this

3309
02:12:29,990 --> 02:12:27,760
um i've i've had that happen to me

3310
02:12:31,350 --> 02:12:30,000
right well i'm not sure if it was sleep

3311
02:12:33,750 --> 02:12:31,360
paralysis but i

3312
02:12:35,669 --> 02:12:33,760
definitely wasn't able to move for about

3313
02:12:38,149 --> 02:12:35,679
10 or 15 minutes

3314
02:12:39,750 --> 02:12:38,159
and that is my guess and i was trying to

3315
02:12:42,149 --> 02:12:39,760
look at the clock

3316
02:12:43,350 --> 02:12:42,159
but i also had a physical presence in my

3317
02:12:45,030 --> 02:12:43,360
room at that time

3318
02:12:47,990 --> 02:12:45,040
i've told the story many times i'm not

3319
02:12:50,790 --> 02:12:48,000
going to get into that now with you but

3320
02:12:52,069 --> 02:12:50,800
the sleep paralysis part or the

3321
02:12:54,870 --> 02:12:52,079
paralysis part

3322
02:12:57,350 --> 02:12:54,880
really freaked me out and it was making

3323
02:12:59,589 --> 02:12:57,360
me angry because i was trying to i was

3324
02:13:02,709 --> 02:12:59,599
thinking about defending myself

3325
02:13:05,510 --> 02:13:02,719
going into some bruce lee right

3326
02:13:07,510 --> 02:13:05,520
and i couldn't do that this sleep

3327
02:13:08,310 --> 02:13:07,520
paralysis part i think puts people into

3328
02:13:13,030 --> 02:13:08,320
a panic

3329
02:13:17,750 --> 02:13:15,669
initially yes because i couldn't breathe

3330
02:13:19,109 --> 02:13:17,760
i couldn't like take the inhale that i

3331
02:13:21,910 --> 02:13:19,119
wanted to

3332
02:13:23,430 --> 02:13:21,920
and then the the humming and everything

3333
02:13:25,189 --> 02:13:23,440
got really really loud and then the

3334
02:13:28,390 --> 02:13:25,199
pulling and then

3335
02:13:30,709 --> 02:13:28,400
after that i don't remember how long did

3336
02:13:33,430 --> 02:13:30,719
it last

3337
02:13:34,709 --> 02:13:33,440
from what i can remember uh it's about

3338
02:13:37,910 --> 02:13:34,719
it's a very long

3339
02:13:38,310 --> 02:13:37,920
30 to 45 seconds and then either i black

3340
02:13:41,830 --> 02:13:38,320
out

3341
02:13:44,069 --> 02:13:41,840
or it's just over and when

3342
02:13:44,950 --> 02:13:44,079
how many how many people speak to you

3343
02:13:47,350 --> 02:13:44,960
about p uh

3344
02:13:49,669 --> 02:13:47,360
sleep paralysis i can't tell you how

3345
02:13:52,790 --> 02:13:49,679
many phone calls i've taken

3346
02:13:54,390 --> 02:13:52,800
the numbers in the hundreds yeah a lot

3347
02:13:57,830 --> 02:13:54,400
of people

3348
02:13:59,030 --> 02:13:57,840
and uh i share their frustration because

3349
02:14:00,790 --> 02:13:59,040
they try to bring it up

3350
02:14:03,189 --> 02:14:00,800
to scientists and the doctors and they

3351
02:14:05,189 --> 02:14:03,199
go oh that's just sleep paralysis

3352
02:14:06,390 --> 02:14:05,199
just sleep paralysis like that is

3353
02:14:08,069 --> 02:14:06,400
terrifying

3354
02:14:10,069 --> 02:14:08,079
and we still don't completely understand

3355
02:14:12,069 --> 02:14:10,079
what it is or why it's happening

3356
02:14:14,149 --> 02:14:12,079
so just to discredit them as sleep

3357
02:14:17,109 --> 02:14:14,159
paralysis

3358
02:14:17,750 --> 02:14:17,119
and if you had a ratio i i would love to

3359
02:14:20,950 --> 02:14:17,760
know

3360
02:14:22,709 --> 02:14:20,960
how many uh have uh

3361
02:14:24,229 --> 02:14:22,719
this this happened to them sleep

3362
02:14:25,830 --> 02:14:24,239
paralysis

3363
02:14:27,510 --> 02:14:25,840
but there's an entity in the room

3364
02:14:29,750 --> 02:14:27,520
there's a being in the room

3365
02:14:32,629 --> 02:14:29,760
there with them and there's nothing that

3366
02:14:37,990 --> 02:14:35,030
almost all of them right i actually know

3367
02:14:40,310 --> 02:14:38,000
one experiencer uh his name is kyle

3368
02:14:41,669 --> 02:14:40,320
and he was able to actually he said it

3369
02:14:44,310 --> 02:14:41,679
was like reaching through

3370
02:14:45,589 --> 02:14:44,320
goo and he was able to grab the thing

3371
02:14:47,830 --> 02:14:45,599
that was holding him down

3372
02:14:49,109 --> 02:14:47,840
and he actually fought with it for a few

3373
02:14:51,109 --> 02:14:49,119
minutes

3374
02:14:52,310 --> 02:14:51,119
and he said it was like every atom of my

3375
02:14:53,830 --> 02:14:52,320
being was screaming

3376
02:14:55,270 --> 02:14:53,840
you should not be doing this you should

3377
02:14:56,709 --> 02:14:55,280
not be touching me you should not be

3378
02:14:58,550 --> 02:14:56,719
able to touch me

3379
02:15:00,069 --> 02:14:58,560
and he said after that it never happened

3380
02:15:03,189 --> 02:15:00,079
again and

3381
02:15:06,870 --> 02:15:03,199
uh how do you

3382
02:15:08,790 --> 02:15:06,880
how do you talk somebody down from that

3383
02:15:11,030 --> 02:15:08,800
you know to calm them down from such a

3384
02:15:11,510 --> 02:15:11,040
terrifying because that is ptsd if

3385
02:15:13,750 --> 02:15:11,520
there's

3386
02:15:15,750 --> 02:15:13,760
ever a case of it right there sleep

3387
02:15:17,669 --> 02:15:15,760
paralysis of being in the room we're

3388
02:15:19,750 --> 02:15:17,679
talking about serious trauma

3389
02:15:22,870 --> 02:15:19,760
i know i went through it i slept with

3390
02:15:27,589 --> 02:15:22,880
the lights on for 10 years and the tv

3391
02:15:29,270 --> 02:15:27,599
10 years 10 years 10 years

3392
02:15:32,229 --> 02:15:29,280
definitely trying to get them to talk

3393
02:15:34,069 --> 02:15:32,239
about it i have gotten those calls at

3394
02:15:35,990 --> 02:15:34,079
2am where they're just crying and

3395
02:15:37,830 --> 02:15:36,000
they're freaking out and

3396
02:15:39,750 --> 02:15:37,840
you know essentially it's just it's like

3397
02:15:41,750 --> 02:15:39,760
a grounding exercise like okay

3398
02:15:43,589 --> 02:15:41,760
name three things that you can see near

3399
02:15:44,229 --> 02:15:43,599
you right now can you touch them are

3400
02:15:45,830 --> 02:15:44,239
those real

3401
02:15:47,350 --> 02:15:45,840
okay can you touch your arms can you

3402
02:15:49,350 --> 02:15:47,360
feel yourself

3403
02:15:50,470 --> 02:15:49,360
are you okay you know basically just

3404
02:15:51,990 --> 02:15:50,480
talking them down with grounding

3405
02:15:52,950 --> 02:15:52,000
exercises and then getting them to the

3406
02:15:55,109 --> 02:15:52,960
point where

3407
02:15:56,470 --> 02:15:55,119
they can talk about it and you know just

3408
02:15:59,109 --> 02:15:56,480
reaffirming like

3409
02:16:00,550 --> 02:15:59,119
no you're not crazy yes this happens you

3410
02:16:02,830 --> 02:16:00,560
know what kind of entity was in there

3411
02:16:05,510 --> 02:16:02,840
what did it look like do you remember

3412
02:16:08,709 --> 02:16:05,520
um most of the time it's

3413
02:16:10,470 --> 02:16:08,719
uh either shadow figures

3414
02:16:13,189 --> 02:16:10,480
one time someone told me that they were

3415
02:16:15,030 --> 02:16:13,199
seeing some like demonic stuff

3416
02:16:17,430 --> 02:16:15,040
and then other times they kind of do

3417
02:16:19,430 --> 02:16:17,440
that vibrational

3418
02:16:20,790 --> 02:16:19,440
weird shield type of thing so if you

3419
02:16:22,870 --> 02:16:20,800
look at them it looks like they're kind

3420
02:16:24,629 --> 02:16:22,880
of blurry anyway

3421
02:16:26,390 --> 02:16:24,639
but i have had a couple of kids tell me

3422
02:16:28,870 --> 02:16:26,400
that uh they wake up and

3423
02:16:32,389 --> 02:16:28,880
there's the blue man came back again the

3424
02:16:35,589 --> 02:16:32,399
blue man was in my room

3425
02:16:36,870 --> 02:16:35,599
now the the evidence is there we've

3426
02:16:40,629 --> 02:16:36,880
talked a lot

3427
02:16:41,110 --> 02:16:40,639
uh tonight about your compilation of 10

3428
02:16:43,910 --> 02:16:41,120
years

3429
02:16:46,150 --> 02:16:43,920
and in research we we know that the

3430
02:16:48,150 --> 02:16:46,160
phenomenon is real

3431
02:16:49,669 --> 02:16:48,160
but what do we do about it what's the

3432
02:16:51,509 --> 02:16:49,679
what's the path forward

3433
02:16:58,469 --> 02:16:51,519
how do we come together as a country and

3434
02:17:04,070 --> 02:17:02,070
that's a good question i think i just

3435
02:17:06,629 --> 02:17:04,080
try to do it one person at a time

3436
02:17:07,509 --> 02:17:06,639
i just don't want them to feel alone

3437
02:17:09,190 --> 02:17:07,519
like i did

3438
02:17:10,790 --> 02:17:09,200
i don't want anybody to feel alone like

3439
02:17:12,790 --> 02:17:10,800
i did

3440
02:17:15,270 --> 02:17:12,800
should i mean should we put together a

3441
02:17:21,190 --> 02:17:15,280
national database a national group

3442
02:17:23,990 --> 02:17:21,200
where uh right an experience or hotline

3443
02:17:25,830 --> 02:17:24,000
i don't know but is there some is there

3444
02:17:29,030 --> 02:17:25,840
a set of standards that

3445
02:17:32,629 --> 02:17:29,040
we can put together and and

3446
02:17:34,389 --> 02:17:32,639
and open this up nationally absolutely

3447
02:17:36,230 --> 02:17:34,399
and i am going to finish writing my code

3448
02:17:39,429 --> 02:17:36,240
of ethics and i'm going to

3449
02:17:41,990 --> 02:17:39,439
publish that very much because these

3450
02:17:43,190 --> 02:17:42,000
these people need to be dealt with in a

3451
02:17:46,309 --> 02:17:43,200
way that's not only

3452
02:17:49,190 --> 02:17:46,319
ethical but also human and kind

3453
02:17:50,790 --> 02:17:49,200
and you need to be there for them don't

3454
02:17:52,309 --> 02:17:50,800
go immediately from all you've had an

3455
02:17:53,830 --> 02:17:52,319
experience sign here and come be on the

3456
02:17:54,950 --> 02:17:53,840
travel channel or come here and get

3457
02:17:56,709 --> 02:17:54,960
hypnotically regressed

3458
02:17:58,230 --> 02:17:56,719
like there needs to be more people out

3459
02:17:59,589 --> 02:17:58,240
there like me that

3460
02:18:01,589 --> 02:17:59,599
are just willing to listen and are

3461
02:18:03,270 --> 02:18:01,599
willing to validate and we're writing it

3462
02:18:04,629 --> 02:18:03,280
down and we're keeping the research

3463
02:18:07,750 --> 02:18:04,639
going

3464
02:18:10,469 --> 02:18:07,760
well i i feel that

3465
02:18:11,589 --> 02:18:10,479
uh locally you know you've got yvonne

3466
02:18:14,309 --> 02:18:11,599
smith here in la

3467
02:18:16,230 --> 02:18:14,319
right you've got these local we've got

3468
02:18:19,349 --> 02:18:16,240
you in texas right we've got these

3469
02:18:22,389 --> 02:18:19,359
local but there isn't

3470
02:18:23,110 --> 02:18:22,399
there isn't a standardization and and

3471
02:18:26,549 --> 02:18:23,120
something more

3472
02:18:30,230 --> 02:18:26,559
national uh with a broader scope

3473
02:18:31,429 --> 02:18:30,240
uh for everybody to to feel that they

3474
02:18:33,910 --> 02:18:31,439
can just

3475
02:18:35,190 --> 02:18:33,920
you know maybe it's google maybe it's

3476
02:18:38,230 --> 02:18:35,200
advi you know and

3477
02:18:40,870 --> 02:18:38,240
and a central place for everybody

3478
02:18:43,110 --> 02:18:40,880
uh to go and figure out a way to deal

3479
02:18:45,509 --> 02:18:43,120
with this

3480
02:18:47,669 --> 02:18:45,519
yeah most of the time and i try to tell

3481
02:18:48,790 --> 02:18:47,679
this to as many researchers and writers

3482
02:18:51,830 --> 02:18:48,800
and

3483
02:18:52,950 --> 02:18:51,840
as i can that you know these people have

3484
02:18:54,469 --> 02:18:52,960
already

3485
02:18:56,389 --> 02:18:54,479
done the research they've done the

3486
02:18:57,270 --> 02:18:56,399
googling they've hunted down the books

3487
02:18:59,750 --> 02:18:57,280
you know

3488
02:19:01,910 --> 02:18:59,760
we are very much their last resort by

3489
02:19:04,790 --> 02:19:01,920
the time they get to us

3490
02:19:05,190 --> 02:19:04,800
and i need you to care i need you to

3491
02:19:07,750 --> 02:19:05,200
care

3492
02:19:09,349 --> 02:19:07,760
that even if you believe or not that

3493
02:19:11,509 --> 02:19:09,359
they're going through this experience

3494
02:19:12,950 --> 02:19:11,519
obviously this person is going through

3495
02:19:16,309 --> 02:19:12,960
something

3496
02:19:18,469 --> 02:19:16,319
and they came to you so i just

3497
02:19:20,150 --> 02:19:18,479
i need them to care i need them to take

3498
02:19:21,669 --> 02:19:20,160
it seriously don't just

3499
02:19:23,509 --> 02:19:21,679
shove them off with you know oh it was

3500
02:19:25,030 --> 02:19:23,519
probably a ufo or it was probably just a

3501
02:19:29,589 --> 02:19:25,040
sleep paralysis event

3502
02:19:31,830 --> 02:19:29,599
like we are sometimes the only thing

3503
02:19:33,750 --> 02:19:31,840
standing in the way of this experiencer

3504
02:19:36,790 --> 02:19:33,760
and giving up

3505
02:19:39,830 --> 02:19:36,800
and you know kathleen martin

3506
02:19:41,509 --> 02:19:39,840
right and her experiencer uh group that

3507
02:19:45,830 --> 02:19:41,519
she's got going

3508
02:19:47,830 --> 02:19:45,840
uh with uh mufon and she's overwhelmed

3509
02:19:49,910 --> 02:19:47,840
she's you know she's overwhelmed she has

3510
02:19:52,150 --> 02:19:49,920
a team around her

3511
02:19:53,830 --> 02:19:52,160
but there's just so much coming at them

3512
02:19:56,550 --> 02:19:53,840
and i don't

3513
02:19:58,469 --> 02:19:56,560
i don't have answers for experiencers i

3514
02:20:02,150 --> 02:19:58,479
really don't i i

3515
02:20:04,150 --> 02:20:02,160
uh somebody came up to me

3516
02:20:06,710 --> 02:20:04,160
at the conference i can't i can't say

3517
02:20:07,990 --> 02:20:06,720
names but uh she came up and said jimmy

3518
02:20:14,230 --> 02:20:08,000
what do i do

3519
02:20:16,550 --> 02:20:14,240
what what are the next steps literally

3520
02:20:19,190 --> 02:20:16,560
these were the questions

3521
02:20:19,590 --> 02:20:19,200
and and and i said the obvious i said

3522
02:20:21,510 --> 02:20:19,600
well

3523
02:20:24,389 --> 02:20:21,520
you can talk to them yeah barbara lamb

3524
02:20:27,670 --> 02:20:24,399
is here right you can go talk to barbara

3525
02:20:31,429 --> 02:20:27,680
but i i i don't know

3526
02:20:33,990 --> 02:20:31,439
i i i don't know you know i said and kay

3527
02:20:34,469 --> 02:20:34,000
is here maybe she went and talked to you

3528
02:20:38,230 --> 02:20:34,479
um

3529
02:20:40,950 --> 02:20:38,240
but uh but but i i don't know

3530
02:20:42,710 --> 02:20:40,960
which direction to point people to and

3531
02:20:44,630 --> 02:20:42,720
if you're going to give advice to an

3532
02:20:46,389 --> 02:20:44,640
experiencer right now where they need to

3533
02:20:51,030 --> 02:20:46,399
pick up the phone who do they call

3534
02:20:51,040 --> 02:20:55,270
that's so hard to say

3535
02:20:58,790 --> 02:20:57,750
i used to refer people to mufon not so

3536
02:21:00,630 --> 02:20:58,800
much anymore

3537
02:21:03,830 --> 02:21:00,640
unfortunately miss kathleen marden had

3538
02:21:07,110 --> 02:21:03,840
to leave the experiencer researcher team

3539
02:21:10,550 --> 02:21:07,120
so she left i heard that free

3540
02:21:13,349 --> 02:21:10,560
that organization is pretty good um

3541
02:21:15,270 --> 02:21:13,359
you can always email me i mean i'm a

3542
02:21:16,790 --> 02:21:15,280
single mom with two kids but you know i

3543
02:21:17,429 --> 02:21:16,800
always do try to get back to all my

3544
02:21:20,150 --> 02:21:17,439
emails

3545
02:21:21,830 --> 02:21:20,160
it's whatever they ask me what the next

3546
02:21:24,230 --> 02:21:21,840
steps are i'm just

3547
02:21:26,230 --> 02:21:24,240
honor yourself because you survived

3548
02:21:26,870 --> 02:21:26,240
whatever you had to do whatever you went

3549
02:21:29,590 --> 02:21:26,880
through

3550
02:21:30,950 --> 02:21:29,600
to survive honor yourself for that and

3551
02:21:32,790 --> 02:21:30,960
just keep going

3552
02:21:35,030 --> 02:21:32,800
i live my life day by day sometimes i

3553
02:21:39,030 --> 02:21:35,040
live my life 15 seconds at a time

3554
02:21:42,790 --> 02:21:39,040
but it's so important to keep going

3555
02:21:44,230 --> 02:21:42,800
and in in closing in the short time that

3556
02:21:47,270 --> 02:21:44,240
we have left

3557
02:21:49,110 --> 02:21:47,280
these are truly exciting times and uh

3558
02:21:51,990 --> 02:21:49,120
you know going through

3559
02:21:54,309 --> 02:21:52,000
uh ufo megacon with you and just seeing

3560
02:21:57,110 --> 02:21:54,319
the enthusiasm there

3561
02:21:58,630 --> 02:21:57,120
that uh you know it's the subject of

3562
02:22:02,710 --> 02:21:58,640
conversation all week or

3563
02:22:06,230 --> 02:22:02,720
is this are we in the days of disclosure

3564
02:22:07,270 --> 02:22:06,240
is this what is happening is our

3565
02:22:10,389 --> 02:22:07,280
government

3566
02:22:14,309 --> 02:22:10,399
really about to uh

3567
02:22:15,110 --> 02:22:14,319
expose this and and and speak about this

3568
02:22:19,510 --> 02:22:15,120
and

3569
02:22:20,710 --> 02:22:19,520
experiencers out there in the ufo

3570
02:22:23,750 --> 02:22:20,720
community

3571
02:22:25,990 --> 02:22:23,760
they need you know saying oh you've had

3572
02:22:29,110 --> 02:22:26,000
disclosure you've had your experience

3573
02:22:30,070 --> 02:22:29,120
no no that's no that's not good enough

3574
02:22:33,590 --> 02:22:30,080
for them

3575
02:22:34,630 --> 02:22:33,600
right they want uh our government to

3576
02:22:37,830 --> 02:22:34,640
step forward

3577
02:22:40,230 --> 02:22:37,840
do you think do you feel

3578
02:22:42,150 --> 02:22:40,240
it do you think that that is where we

3579
02:22:44,150 --> 02:22:42,160
are today

3580
02:22:45,590 --> 02:22:44,160
i'll believe it when i see it why is

3581
02:22:47,990 --> 02:22:45,600
that

3582
02:22:48,630 --> 02:22:48,000
you're shaking your head no why why is

3583
02:22:51,270 --> 02:22:48,640
that i've just

3584
02:22:54,389 --> 02:22:51,280
i've heard it so many times and i've

3585
02:22:56,630 --> 02:22:54,399
gotten my hopes up so many times and

3586
02:22:58,870 --> 02:22:56,640
disclosure is just something that i i

3587
02:23:00,230 --> 02:22:58,880
stopped chasing because

3588
02:23:02,550 --> 02:23:00,240
it's like they'll give a little bit of a

3589
02:23:03,830 --> 02:23:02,560
tease and then they'll redact it or

3590
02:23:05,830 --> 02:23:03,840
something doesn't happen but we've been

3591
02:23:07,429 --> 02:23:05,840
hearing since the 70s that you know

3592
02:23:09,429 --> 02:23:07,439
disclosure's coming this is the year

3593
02:23:09,990 --> 02:23:09,439
this is the year and i know a lot of

3594
02:23:11,910 --> 02:23:10,000
people

3595
02:23:14,070 --> 02:23:11,920
uh really got their hopes stashed

3596
02:23:15,910 --> 02:23:14,080
because they thought that our last

3597
02:23:16,790 --> 02:23:15,920
president was going to be the disclosure

3598
02:23:20,389 --> 02:23:16,800
president

3599
02:23:28,550 --> 02:23:23,590
uh i don't know yeah

3600
02:23:30,389 --> 02:23:28,560
uh um the bbc when they showed up

3601
02:23:32,469 --> 02:23:30,399
um and they were great i'm not going to

3602
02:23:34,710 --> 02:23:32,479
say anything negative because i was very

3603
02:23:39,510 --> 02:23:34,720
impressed with the questions

3604
02:23:41,429 --> 02:23:39,520
but they asked me five times

3605
02:23:42,710 --> 02:23:41,439
five times tried to get me to change my

3606
02:23:45,190 --> 02:23:42,720
answer i guess

3607
02:23:46,309 --> 02:23:45,200
but they asked me five times uh is the

3608
02:23:50,150 --> 02:23:46,319
uaptf

3609
02:23:51,510 --> 02:23:50,160
report vindication is this vindication

3610
02:23:53,750 --> 02:23:51,520
for you

3611
02:23:56,070 --> 02:23:53,760
and the is this vindication for the

3612
02:23:59,510 --> 02:23:56,080
community is this vindication

3613
02:24:00,230 --> 02:23:59,520
it was really funny how uh they were

3614
02:24:02,870 --> 02:24:00,240
trying to

3615
02:24:03,590 --> 02:24:02,880
frame that and i told them no told them

3616
02:24:06,389 --> 02:24:03,600
no five

3617
02:24:08,630 --> 02:24:06,399
times and and i wasn't going to change

3618
02:24:11,670 --> 02:24:08,640
my answer there's no way that it

3619
02:24:15,510 --> 02:24:11,680
is ever going to be a yes but

3620
02:24:18,550 --> 02:24:15,520
uh i think the media is trying to get

3621
02:24:21,830 --> 02:24:18,560
the ufo community to uh to

3622
02:24:23,670 --> 02:24:21,840
jump up and and celebrate that this is

3623
02:24:29,349 --> 02:24:23,680
it this is vindication

3624
02:24:33,590 --> 02:24:29,359
and it is not is it

3625
02:24:37,030 --> 02:24:33,600
no why because even if you do

3626
02:24:38,790 --> 02:24:37,040
get disclosure i mean think of all of

3627
02:24:40,870 --> 02:24:38,800
the lives that have been ruined and the

3628
02:24:43,670 --> 02:24:40,880
livelihoods that have been lost and

3629
02:24:45,349 --> 02:24:43,680
the people that have died like just

3630
02:24:48,469 --> 02:24:45,359
because you have the answer it doesn't

3631
02:24:49,990 --> 02:24:48,479
take away the pain or the damage

3632
02:24:51,830 --> 02:24:50,000
and and i think that's a really good

3633
02:24:55,349 --> 02:24:51,840
point um

3634
02:24:58,230 --> 02:24:55,359
because there's that part

3635
02:25:00,309 --> 02:24:58,240
and then there's the other part where

3636
02:25:03,349 --> 02:25:00,319
there's a lot of explaining

3637
02:25:05,590 --> 02:25:03,359
that has to be done there was a lot

3638
02:25:07,429 --> 02:25:05,600
of there are a lot of experiencers out

3639
02:25:09,670 --> 02:25:07,439
there a lot of ufo witnesses

3640
02:25:11,110 --> 02:25:09,680
that have seen things and they know what

3641
02:25:13,270 --> 02:25:11,120
they have seen

3642
02:25:14,710 --> 02:25:13,280
and their own government has called them

3643
02:25:17,590 --> 02:25:14,720
crazy

3644
02:25:19,270 --> 02:25:17,600
right and and there's a lot of

3645
02:25:20,309 --> 02:25:19,280
explaining that's going to have to go

3646
02:25:23,110 --> 02:25:20,319
along with that too

3647
02:25:23,510 --> 02:25:23,120
because it seems to be in a complete

3648
02:25:26,710 --> 02:25:23,520
about

3649
02:25:28,309 --> 02:25:26,720
face nk where you've been saying this

3650
02:25:31,590 --> 02:25:28,319
for so long

3651
02:25:33,349 --> 02:25:31,600
with intent with malice and now today

3652
02:25:35,670 --> 02:25:33,359
you're saying that this stuff

3653
02:25:36,550 --> 02:25:35,680
is real and that you don't know what's

3654
02:25:39,429 --> 02:25:36,560
going on

3655
02:25:41,110 --> 02:25:39,439
and that i'm not crazy so now they don't

3656
02:25:44,469 --> 02:25:41,120
know which part to believe

3657
02:25:46,550 --> 02:25:44,479
right they've been flip-flopped on and

3658
02:25:47,750 --> 02:25:46,560
and who do you trust and that's the

3659
02:25:49,590 --> 02:25:47,760
other part so that's where

3660
02:25:53,110 --> 02:25:49,600
vindication for me i don't even know

3661
02:25:55,270 --> 02:25:53,120
what to believe anymore

3662
02:25:57,429 --> 02:25:55,280
i don't even know what i don't even know

3663
02:25:58,790 --> 02:25:57,439
that's exactly right

3664
02:26:01,030 --> 02:25:58,800
so what's next when are you going to

3665
02:26:03,510 --> 02:26:01,040
finish the book how are you going to

3666
02:26:04,230 --> 02:26:03,520
get pen to paper and sit down at that

3667
02:26:07,670 --> 02:26:04,240
computer and

3668
02:26:08,710 --> 02:26:07,680
and get it done so i'm actually flying

3669
02:26:10,309 --> 02:26:08,720
to ithaca

3670
02:26:12,070 --> 02:26:10,319
in the next few weeks i'm going to sit

3671
02:26:14,630 --> 02:26:12,080
down with peter robbins

3672
02:26:15,990 --> 02:26:14,640
who wrote left at eastgate and i'm also

3673
02:26:18,150 --> 02:26:16,000
going to um

3674
02:26:19,110 --> 02:26:18,160
richard dolan offered to sit down and

3675
02:26:20,790 --> 02:26:19,120
help me

3676
02:26:22,710 --> 02:26:20,800
kind of work this out so that we can get

3677
02:26:24,150 --> 02:26:22,720
the structure down of

3678
02:26:25,990 --> 02:26:24,160
you know the code of ethics the

3679
02:26:27,910 --> 02:26:26,000
interviews the testimony you know

3680
02:26:29,910 --> 02:26:27,920
obviously my part of it

3681
02:26:32,230 --> 02:26:29,920
and then putting it together so that you

3682
02:26:32,550 --> 02:26:32,240
know very real things like word counts

3683
02:26:37,110 --> 02:26:32,560
and

3684
02:26:39,190 --> 02:26:37,120
know two famous authors offered to help

3685
02:26:42,469 --> 02:26:39,200
me hell yeah i'm gonna do it

3686
02:26:46,469 --> 02:26:42,479
so that's next uh what do you think

3687
02:26:48,630 --> 02:26:46,479
when do you think you're gonna publish

3688
02:26:49,510 --> 02:26:48,640
um hopefully as soon as possible as soon

3689
02:26:53,429 --> 02:26:49,520
as it's done

3690
02:26:55,349 --> 02:26:53,439
and i feel that you know it's um

3691
02:26:57,190 --> 02:26:55,359
it's what i want it to be and i'm happy

3692
02:26:58,710 --> 02:26:57,200
with it whether it sells or not that's

3693
02:27:00,389 --> 02:26:58,720
that's what i'm gonna publish

3694
02:27:01,750 --> 02:27:00,399
but i'm definitely trying to finish it

3695
02:27:03,190 --> 02:27:01,760
before the end of the year that's

3696
02:27:05,590 --> 02:27:03,200
exactly 20 20

3697
02:27:06,950 --> 02:27:05,600
20 20 kicked my butt yeah kicked

3698
02:27:09,510 --> 02:27:06,960
everybody's butt

3699
02:27:10,309 --> 02:27:09,520
i'm excited i can't wait uh to read it

3700
02:27:12,230 --> 02:27:10,319
when it

3701
02:27:14,550 --> 02:27:12,240
gets out we'll have you on the show

3702
02:27:16,710 --> 02:27:14,560
before then but once it's uh

3703
02:27:18,150 --> 02:27:16,720
released we'll get you back and we'll

3704
02:27:21,190 --> 02:27:18,160
chat about that too as well

3705
02:27:23,510 --> 02:27:21,200
thank you so much nk thank you

3706
02:27:25,349 --> 02:27:23,520
it was lovely it was awesome have a

3707
02:27:26,070 --> 02:27:25,359
great night say hi to your daughter for

3708
02:27:27,830 --> 02:27:26,080
me

3709
02:27:29,270 --> 02:27:27,840
and i'll speak with you very soon thank

3710
02:27:33,429 --> 02:27:29,280
you so much

3711
02:27:36,550 --> 02:27:33,439
thank you oh what was your email address

3712
02:27:40,469 --> 02:27:36,560
uh preserve your experience at gmail.com

3713
02:27:43,510 --> 02:27:40,479
preserve your experience at gmail.com

3714
02:27:47,910 --> 02:27:43,520
nk cranda nk enjoy your evening thank

3715
02:27:51,590 --> 02:27:50,150
this is fade to black i'll be right back

3716
02:27:56,830 --> 02:27:51,600
after this short break i'm going to open

3717
02:28:00,360 --> 02:27:56,840
up the phone line 747-228-2051 stay with

3718
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3790
02:31:41,670 --> 02:31:29,160
this is kjcr jimmychurchradio.com

3791
02:31:45,110 --> 02:31:43,830
welcome back faded black i am your host

3792
02:31:48,910 --> 02:31:45,120
jimmy church and kay

3793
02:31:52,150 --> 02:31:48,920
cranda what a conversation

3794
02:31:54,349 --> 02:31:52,160
experiencers i mean

3795
02:31:55,510 --> 02:31:54,359
yeah i think in a weird way we're all

3796
02:31:59,190 --> 02:31:55,520
experiencers

3797
02:32:02,309 --> 02:31:59,200
at some level um but

3798
02:32:06,230 --> 02:32:02,319
what do we do right what do we do and

3799
02:32:09,270 --> 02:32:06,240
we need to we need to address this

3800
02:32:12,790 --> 02:32:09,280
as a community we need to address this

3801
02:32:15,830 --> 02:32:12,800
head on it's a it's it's something

3802
02:32:18,710 --> 02:32:15,840
that is there and and her work

3803
02:32:19,190 --> 02:32:18,720
and the way that uh she approaches all

3804
02:32:22,469 --> 02:32:19,200
of this

3805
02:32:25,110 --> 02:32:22,479
and 5 000 experiencers

3806
02:32:26,070 --> 02:32:25,120
it's a lot of data she's got a lot of

3807
02:32:28,550 --> 02:32:26,080
knowledge

3808
02:32:29,270 --> 02:32:28,560
and uh i can't wait for the book to come

3809
02:32:32,309 --> 02:32:29,280
out

3810
02:32:36,230 --> 02:32:32,319
but i'm concerned i'm concerned

3811
02:32:39,030 --> 02:32:36,240
how much can i discuss this on the show

3812
02:32:42,150 --> 02:32:39,040
how much can i discuss this right we

3813
02:32:44,550 --> 02:32:42,160
need to do something i keep going back

3814
02:32:46,230 --> 02:32:44,560
uh to people of earth and i do it for a

3815
02:32:48,469 --> 02:32:46,240
lot of different reasons and if you

3816
02:32:49,510 --> 02:32:48,479
haven't seen the show you've got to go

3817
02:32:53,429 --> 02:32:49,520
and watch it

3818
02:32:55,510 --> 02:32:53,439
yeah it's a comedy but as

3819
02:32:57,750 --> 02:32:55,520
somebody from the ufo community like

3820
02:33:01,270 --> 02:32:57,760
myself and you when you go watch

3821
02:33:03,750 --> 02:33:01,280
you are going to see ourselves

3822
02:33:05,990 --> 02:33:03,760
and and how they are dealing with this

3823
02:33:08,309 --> 02:33:06,000
and what they are going through

3824
02:33:10,550 --> 02:33:08,319
it is a very well-written show i think

3825
02:33:13,670 --> 02:33:10,560
it was very well researched

3826
02:33:15,190 --> 02:33:13,680
but that show and what they are that's

3827
02:33:18,230 --> 02:33:15,200
exactly

3828
02:33:19,990 --> 02:33:18,240
what this community is going through and

3829
02:33:30,429 --> 02:33:20,000
we've got to figure out a path forward

3830
02:33:35,110 --> 02:33:31,990
747-228-2051-747-228-2051

3831
02:33:37,190 --> 02:33:35,120
uh let the software boot here uh i'm

3832
02:33:40,230 --> 02:33:37,200
sure you're trying to call there it goes

3833
02:33:43,030 --> 02:33:40,240
okay seven four seven two two eight two

3834
02:33:43,590 --> 02:33:43,040
zero five one i went through some weird

3835
02:33:46,870 --> 02:33:43,600
things

3836
02:33:50,150 --> 02:33:46,880
um earlier today uh

3837
02:33:51,349 --> 02:33:50,160
with uh bam just like that okay calls

3838
02:33:55,030 --> 02:33:51,359
are coming in

3839
02:33:57,590 --> 02:33:55,040
uh with my computer uh well my main one

3840
02:33:58,790 --> 02:33:57,600
uh which i'm dealing with my email and

3841
02:34:02,389 --> 02:33:58,800
everything else

3842
02:34:03,990 --> 02:34:02,399
it uh it was acting a bit strange i'm

3843
02:34:04,950 --> 02:34:04,000
putting you on hold you're listening to

3844
02:34:06,630 --> 02:34:04,960
my voice

3845
02:34:09,510 --> 02:34:06,640
don't go anywhere just putting you on

3846
02:34:10,309 --> 02:34:09,520
hold and i'm doing the same thing with

3847
02:34:11,990 --> 02:34:10,319
you

3848
02:34:13,830 --> 02:34:12,000
this is how i screen my calls i'm

3849
02:34:15,429 --> 02:34:13,840
putting you on hold you just stay right

3850
02:34:16,070 --> 02:34:15,439
there that's right this is live on the

3851
02:34:17,830 --> 02:34:16,080
air

3852
02:34:19,910 --> 02:34:17,840
that's how we do it all right i'm

3853
02:34:22,950 --> 02:34:19,920
putting you on hold

3854
02:34:27,110 --> 02:34:22,960
stay right there don't go anywhere

3855
02:34:28,710 --> 02:34:27,120
um uh strange things going on with my

3856
02:34:32,550 --> 02:34:28,720
computer today

3857
02:34:35,349 --> 02:34:32,560
and uh uh ended up rebooting

3858
02:34:37,510 --> 02:34:35,359
and as it turned out it was just like

3859
02:34:44,230 --> 02:34:37,520
slow

3860
02:34:44,790 --> 02:34:44,240
uh an ssd drive that runs my operating

3861
02:34:48,469 --> 02:34:44,800
system

3862
02:34:50,469 --> 02:34:48,479
right so that's on the front end um

3863
02:34:51,830 --> 02:34:50,479
the other drive that i store everything

3864
02:34:54,950 --> 02:34:51,840
on is

3865
02:34:57,590 --> 02:34:54,960
uh two terabytes and

3866
02:34:58,070 --> 02:34:57,600
i hadn't checked it in a long time sorry

3867
02:35:01,670 --> 02:34:58,080
reboot

3868
02:35:05,110 --> 02:35:01,680
nothing changed went over and my

3869
02:35:09,030 --> 02:35:05,120
two terabyte drive

3870
02:35:12,150 --> 02:35:09,040
had like and i'm not making this up like

3871
02:35:14,070 --> 02:35:12,160
10 megabytes available

3872
02:35:15,429 --> 02:35:14,080
so i'm doing stuff and i'm starting it

3873
02:35:17,349 --> 02:35:15,439
and it was

3874
02:35:18,790 --> 02:35:17,359
you know the drill right it's moving

3875
02:35:22,150 --> 02:35:18,800
temporary files run

3876
02:35:22,950 --> 02:35:22,160
and it just dogged out and uh i went

3877
02:35:26,150 --> 02:35:22,960
back and

3878
02:35:28,550 --> 02:35:26,160
and eliminated uh like 500

3879
02:35:30,950 --> 02:35:28,560
gigabytes of downloads and things and

3880
02:35:33,030 --> 02:35:30,960
duplicate files

3881
02:35:34,469 --> 02:35:33,040
computer just snap back to attention but

3882
02:35:37,990 --> 02:35:34,479
with those reboots

3883
02:35:40,950 --> 02:35:38,000
my phone system was

3884
02:35:42,469 --> 02:35:40,960
not on so but it's on now okay seven

3885
02:35:45,590 --> 02:35:42,479
four seven two two eight two

3886
02:35:48,230 --> 02:35:45,600
zero five one let's see who's up first

3887
02:35:49,190 --> 02:35:48,240
yeah you know oh whoa whoa whoa that's

3888
02:35:52,389 --> 02:35:49,200
me hold on

3889
02:35:54,469 --> 02:35:52,399
relax calm down i've got

3890
02:35:56,550 --> 02:35:54,479
that oh somebody's listening to the

3891
02:35:59,030 --> 02:35:56,560
duplicate of the show

3892
02:36:01,270 --> 02:35:59,040
hi who's calling i apologize for that

3893
02:36:04,389 --> 02:36:01,280
who's calling

3894
02:36:08,630 --> 02:36:04,399
sam michael from saskatoon this is saint

3895
02:36:10,790 --> 02:36:08,640
michael from saskatoon how are you

3896
02:36:12,070 --> 02:36:10,800
i'm doing very well there jimmy church

3897
02:36:14,309 --> 02:36:12,080
and uh

3898
02:36:16,309 --> 02:36:14,319
might i say that you're kind of like

3899
02:36:19,670 --> 02:36:16,319
flipping in and out there on

3900
02:36:21,349 --> 02:36:19,680
i was watching the youtube earlier and

3901
02:36:22,790 --> 02:36:21,359
i don't know what's going on like you're

3902
02:36:25,270 --> 02:36:22,800
tripping in and out

3903
02:36:25,830 --> 02:36:25,280
and i know like you're saying things

3904
02:36:29,510 --> 02:36:25,840
michael

3905
02:36:32,790 --> 02:36:29,520
what are you talking about uh

3906
02:36:35,510 --> 02:36:32,800
defeat is like uh stopping and

3907
02:36:37,830 --> 02:36:35,520
starting and stopping and starting well

3908
02:36:39,590 --> 02:36:37,840
that that's not me that's you

3909
02:36:41,429 --> 02:36:39,600
i'm looking at the feed here it hasn't

3910
02:36:44,309 --> 02:36:41,439
broken once

3911
02:36:45,429 --> 02:36:44,319
so that's you guys like uh i got a 150 i

3912
02:36:48,150 --> 02:36:45,439
got a 150

3913
02:36:49,830 --> 02:36:48,160
uh what do they call that 150 uh

3914
02:36:53,429 --> 02:36:49,840
download and uh

3915
02:36:56,070 --> 02:36:53,439
15 upload which is like huge and uh

3916
02:36:56,870 --> 02:36:56,080
i'm going like come on like why am i

3917
02:37:00,550 --> 02:36:56,880
watching

3918
02:37:02,469 --> 02:37:00,560
jimmy church and fade black in like uh

3919
02:37:04,870 --> 02:37:02,479
zipping in and out zipping in and i'm

3920
02:37:07,990 --> 02:37:04,880
not nobody yeah but nobody said

3921
02:37:10,630 --> 02:37:08,000
anything tonight but you

3922
02:37:11,990 --> 02:37:10,640
that's curious that's curious yeah i'm

3923
02:37:13,910 --> 02:37:12,000
in canada you know that

3924
02:37:16,550 --> 02:37:13,920
you know it's kenneth canada it's

3925
02:37:18,550 --> 02:37:16,560
trudeau blame it on trudeau blame it on

3926
02:37:21,270 --> 02:37:18,560
trudeau well you know we have this uh

3927
02:37:22,230 --> 02:37:21,280
they had this uh i don't like talking

3928
02:37:25,270 --> 02:37:22,240
politics on

3929
02:37:25,750 --> 02:37:25,280
uh fade to black because okay facebook

3930
02:37:28,389 --> 02:37:25,760
is

3931
02:37:30,070 --> 02:37:28,399
right so done beautiful yeah yeah so

3932
02:37:33,670 --> 02:37:30,080
don't don't talk politics what'd you

3933
02:37:36,550 --> 02:37:33,680
think of the show tonight

3934
02:37:37,590 --> 02:37:36,560
i was curious about how you were talking

3935
02:37:39,349 --> 02:37:37,600
and uh

3936
02:37:40,630 --> 02:37:39,359
what you're getting at and i thought

3937
02:37:44,389 --> 02:37:40,640
like

3938
02:37:46,469 --> 02:37:44,399
you came back

3939
02:37:47,750 --> 02:37:46,479
from what you were doing there last week

3940
02:37:50,550 --> 02:37:47,760
right you had to show off for

3941
02:37:51,750 --> 02:37:50,560
a whole week and stuff and you came back

3942
02:37:53,830 --> 02:37:51,760
and

3943
02:37:55,990 --> 02:37:53,840
today is tuesday right you came back

3944
02:37:59,030 --> 02:37:56,000
monday monday is like a baller show

3945
02:38:00,389 --> 02:37:59,040
tuesday is today and i'm not sure like

3946
02:38:01,830 --> 02:38:00,399
what do you what do you

3947
02:38:03,429 --> 02:38:01,840
what do you think about like you were

3948
02:38:05,270 --> 02:38:03,439
gone for a week

3949
02:38:07,110 --> 02:38:05,280
right right you went to the what do you

3950
02:38:09,910 --> 02:38:07,120
think about the show you went

3951
02:38:10,550 --> 02:38:09,920
and did all that fancy stuff i've seen

3952
02:38:13,110 --> 02:38:10,560
some of your

3953
02:38:15,270 --> 02:38:13,120
i i check your twitter out forgive me i

3954
02:38:17,349 --> 02:38:15,280
do i i was looking at your pictures

3955
02:38:18,790 --> 02:38:17,359
you know with some of your folks that

3956
02:38:19,990 --> 02:38:18,800
you're with right what do you think

3957
02:38:22,550 --> 02:38:20,000
about the show

3958
02:38:24,469 --> 02:38:22,560
i've talked about it constantly but i'll

3959
02:38:26,150 --> 02:38:24,479
talk i'll talk about it more right now

3960
02:38:29,190 --> 02:38:26,160
michael just for you

3961
02:38:32,230 --> 02:38:29,200
um the show michael from saskatoon yeah

3962
02:38:35,750 --> 02:38:32,240
michael that's right st michael and uh

3963
02:38:38,870 --> 02:38:35,760
this is this is the deal and and

3964
02:38:42,230 --> 02:38:38,880
uh i mean i've repeated this

3965
02:38:42,550 --> 02:38:42,240
uh over and over again but i'm gonna say

3966
02:38:46,389 --> 02:38:42,560
it

3967
02:38:49,429 --> 02:38:46,399
one more time which is

3968
02:38:52,550 --> 02:38:49,439
the the show for me

3969
02:38:55,590 --> 02:38:52,560
to be able to uh finally

3970
02:38:57,750 --> 02:38:55,600
get out and be around people that are

3971
02:38:59,270 --> 02:38:57,760
not wearing face masks and the workers

3972
02:39:01,990 --> 02:38:59,280
and the hotel staff

3973
02:39:02,950 --> 02:39:02,000
uh the local gas station and and

3974
02:39:05,830 --> 02:39:02,960
whatever

3975
02:39:06,469 --> 02:39:05,840
no face mask anywhere and to see people

3976
02:39:08,630 --> 02:39:06,479
without

3977
02:39:09,510 --> 02:39:08,640
uh face masks going to see their smiling

3978
02:39:12,230 --> 02:39:09,520
faces

3979
02:39:13,510 --> 02:39:12,240
and how happy they are that meant the

3980
02:39:16,309 --> 02:39:13,520
world to me

3981
02:39:17,510 --> 02:39:16,319
and i need that so today here in

3982
02:39:20,950 --> 02:39:17,520
california

3983
02:39:22,830 --> 02:39:20,960
we lifted the restrictions uh i also got

3984
02:39:25,349 --> 02:39:22,840
my

3985
02:39:28,870 --> 02:39:25,359
uh second coven shot

3986
02:39:32,150 --> 02:39:28,880
uh i got that today and uh so

3987
02:39:34,070 --> 02:39:32,160
i i'm i'm ready i'm ready to go you got

3988
02:39:34,950 --> 02:39:34,080
your vaccination car which i have right

3989
02:39:36,710 --> 02:39:34,960
over there

3990
02:39:38,389 --> 02:39:36,720
you're you're good to go no mask

3991
02:39:40,309 --> 02:39:38,399
anywhere unless you're a

3992
02:39:41,990 --> 02:39:40,319
healthcare worker or i think the other

3993
02:39:44,870 --> 02:39:42,000
thing is in a school

3994
02:39:46,550 --> 02:39:44,880
or if i'm in a place that's indoors with

3995
02:39:50,950 --> 02:39:46,560
5 000 people

3996
02:39:54,070 --> 02:39:50,960
um but other than i'm i'm i was so happy

3997
02:39:57,750 --> 02:39:54,080
to see others around me

3998
02:39:58,389 --> 02:39:57,760
that were smiling that were eating

3999
02:40:00,230 --> 02:39:58,399
dinners

4000
02:40:01,910 --> 02:40:00,240
that were at the conference sitting next

4001
02:40:03,750 --> 02:40:01,920
to each other there was no spaces there

4002
02:40:05,590 --> 02:40:03,760
was no social distancing

4003
02:40:07,670 --> 02:40:05,600
there were no masks there was nothing

4004
02:40:10,870 --> 02:40:07,680
else going on anywhere

4005
02:40:13,190 --> 02:40:10,880
and that to me was the bonus

4006
02:40:14,230 --> 02:40:13,200
to a conference where it was full of

4007
02:40:16,870 --> 02:40:14,240
knowledge

4008
02:40:18,230 --> 02:40:16,880
it was amazing to have all of these

4009
02:40:21,510 --> 02:40:18,240
fresh faces there like

4010
02:40:24,550 --> 02:40:21,520
nk kranda bringing stuff

4011
02:40:25,510 --> 02:40:24,560
uh together uh for the first time and

4012
02:40:27,830 --> 02:40:25,520
presenting it so

4013
02:40:29,590 --> 02:40:27,840
it was an excellent conference and the

4014
02:40:32,710 --> 02:40:29,600
other part of this conference and i keep

4015
02:40:36,790 --> 02:40:32,720
saying this over and over again

4016
02:40:37,830 --> 02:40:36,800
one massive room massive with all of the

4017
02:40:41,030 --> 02:40:37,840
seating

4018
02:40:44,150 --> 02:40:41,040
uh uh just great first class

4019
02:40:46,710 --> 02:40:44,160
ginormous screens ginormous

4020
02:40:48,230 --> 02:40:46,720
great production great stage great staff

4021
02:40:51,510 --> 02:40:48,240
totally professional

4022
02:40:53,510 --> 02:40:51,520
uh the av uh the

4023
02:40:54,550 --> 02:40:53,520
the stage managers and how everything

4024
02:40:56,950 --> 02:40:54,560
was just

4025
02:40:58,710 --> 02:40:56,960
synchronized and well put together so

4026
02:41:02,230 --> 02:40:58,720
that made the conference for me

4027
02:41:05,830 --> 02:41:02,240
uh much more enjoyable

4028
02:41:08,150 --> 02:41:05,840
and then but you combine all of that

4029
02:41:09,030 --> 02:41:08,160
with just one stage you don't have to

4030
02:41:12,150 --> 02:41:09,040
pick and shoot

4031
02:41:12,630 --> 02:41:12,160
everybody gets to speak in front of the

4032
02:41:15,590 --> 02:41:12,640
same

4033
02:41:16,389 --> 02:41:15,600
audience and it's all right there and

4034
02:41:18,790 --> 02:41:16,399
that is

4035
02:41:20,630 --> 02:41:18,800
that's the best way for me to do a

4036
02:41:21,910 --> 02:41:20,640
conference the bigger conferences and i

4037
02:41:23,990 --> 02:41:21,920
get that

4038
02:41:25,830 --> 02:41:24,000
and there's reasons for it where you

4039
02:41:27,590 --> 02:41:25,840
have 50 60 speakers and you have

4040
02:41:30,630 --> 02:41:27,600
multiple rooms

4041
02:41:34,070 --> 02:41:30,640
yeah i understand that i totally do

4042
02:41:35,110 --> 02:41:34,080
but for me uh and those other place

4043
02:41:37,269 --> 02:41:35,120
where i'm

4044
02:41:38,550 --> 02:41:37,279
hosting room to room to room to room and

4045
02:41:41,429 --> 02:41:38,560
running around

4046
02:41:43,590 --> 02:41:41,439
um there's a different element where you

4047
02:41:47,269 --> 02:41:43,600
are just in one room like that

4048
02:41:47,830 --> 02:41:47,279
big it's big uh just made the conference

4049
02:41:49,990 --> 02:41:47,840
for me

4050
02:41:51,910 --> 02:41:50,000
uh just totally enjoyable so thank you

4051
02:41:54,870 --> 02:41:51,920
for your phone call michael

4052
02:41:56,070 --> 02:41:54,880
uh i really appreciate that and and

4053
02:41:58,389 --> 02:41:56,080
wanting to go back

4054
02:41:59,590 --> 02:41:58,399
and and visit that again because the

4055
02:42:01,750 --> 02:41:59,600
conference was uh

4056
02:42:03,110 --> 02:42:01,760
was totally awesome for me totally

4057
02:42:05,269 --> 02:42:03,120
totally awesome

4058
02:42:06,550 --> 02:42:05,279
with that let's go back to the phones hi

4059
02:42:08,469 --> 02:42:06,560
you're live on fade to black who's

4060
02:42:16,309 --> 02:42:08,479
calling

4061
02:42:19,670 --> 02:42:16,319
are live three

4062
02:42:22,550 --> 02:42:19,680
two one man i hate to do that

4063
02:42:23,990 --> 02:42:22,560
i'm just gonna put you back on hold and

4064
02:42:27,349 --> 02:42:24,000
let's see who this is

4065
02:42:29,670 --> 02:42:27,359
back here let's go here

4066
02:42:32,550 --> 02:42:29,680
next let's see who's up next hi you're

4067
02:42:35,590 --> 02:42:32,560
live on fade to black who's calling

4068
02:42:38,070 --> 02:42:35,600
hi this is jefferson hi jefferson where

4069
02:42:42,309 --> 02:42:38,080
are you calling from

4070
02:42:44,469 --> 02:42:42,319
galveston texas galveston texas

4071
02:42:45,510 --> 02:42:44,479
been talking about texas a lot this week

4072
02:42:49,590 --> 02:42:45,520
on the show

4073
02:42:53,110 --> 02:42:49,600
how you doing yeah pretty good man

4074
02:42:57,030 --> 02:42:53,120
what's on your mind well

4075
02:42:58,150 --> 02:42:57,040
okay so i don't hear it being talked

4076
02:43:00,790 --> 02:42:58,160
about a lot

4077
02:43:01,190 --> 02:43:00,800
but there's that new show on netflix

4078
02:43:04,469 --> 02:43:01,200
called

4079
02:43:07,750 --> 02:43:04,479
sweet tooth i think about the animal

4080
02:43:11,030 --> 02:43:07,760
human hybrids well

4081
02:43:14,150 --> 02:43:11,040
i just wondered like is it a coincidence

4082
02:43:15,190 --> 02:43:14,160
that that show comes out at the same

4083
02:43:18,710 --> 02:43:15,200
time

4084
02:43:21,750 --> 02:43:18,720
that the news breaks a story about

4085
02:43:25,349 --> 02:43:21,760
china experimenting with

4086
02:43:28,710 --> 02:43:25,359
human animal hybrids

4087
02:43:29,990 --> 02:43:28,720
and do you think that it's the media

4088
02:43:34,309 --> 02:43:30,000
trying to

4089
02:43:37,190 --> 02:43:34,319
acclimatize us to the idea of hybrids

4090
02:43:38,790 --> 02:43:37,200
yeah uh now i haven't i haven't read the

4091
02:43:41,750 --> 02:43:38,800
news announcement about

4092
02:43:42,790 --> 02:43:41,760
china experiments experimenting on uh

4093
02:43:45,190 --> 02:43:42,800
human animal

4094
02:43:46,710 --> 02:43:45,200
hybrids i haven't i haven't seen that in

4095
02:43:49,349 --> 02:43:46,720
the mainstream media but

4096
02:43:51,190 --> 02:43:49,359
uh i'm sure that somebody's gonna post

4097
02:43:53,269 --> 02:43:51,200
something up in twitter here for

4098
02:43:54,469 --> 02:43:53,279
for me to check out and review haven't

4099
02:43:57,510 --> 02:43:54,479
heard about that haven't

4100
02:43:59,670 --> 02:43:57,520
heard about sweet tooth either but uh

4101
02:44:02,630 --> 02:43:59,680
i'll put that on my list i wrote it down

4102
02:44:03,429 --> 02:44:02,640
right there sweet tooth um so do you see

4103
02:44:06,870 --> 02:44:03,439
that the

4104
02:44:09,190 --> 02:44:06,880
the usa today um i think it was not this

4105
02:44:11,269 --> 02:44:09,200
past weekend but the weekend before

4106
02:44:13,190 --> 02:44:11,279
it was supposed to be a joke or an

4107
02:44:15,830 --> 02:44:13,200
advertisement for the show

4108
02:44:17,510 --> 02:44:15,840
but it was on the cover of the freaking

4109
02:44:19,830 --> 02:44:17,520
weekend newspaper

4110
02:44:20,870 --> 02:44:19,840
right i mean i've never seen that before

4111
02:44:23,349 --> 02:44:20,880
in my life

4112
02:44:24,309 --> 02:44:23,359
yeah yeah what the hell yeah that's

4113
02:44:26,230 --> 02:44:24,319
interesting

4114
02:44:27,830 --> 02:44:26,240
well i'll check it out somebody post it

4115
02:44:30,309 --> 02:44:27,840
up in twitter for me so i can do

4116
02:44:32,230 --> 02:44:30,319
uh a little bit of reading and then i

4117
02:44:33,910 --> 02:44:32,240
will go check out sweet tooth as well

4118
02:44:36,309 --> 02:44:33,920
coincidence i don't know

4119
02:44:37,590 --> 02:44:36,319
jefferson that's a really good point so

4120
02:44:40,790 --> 02:44:37,600
i will check out

4121
02:44:44,150 --> 02:44:40,800
uh i'll check out the twitter feed uh

4122
02:44:47,990 --> 02:44:44,160
for uh the links to that somebody

4123
02:44:51,349 --> 02:44:48,000
somebody send me uh please the uh

4124
02:44:53,830 --> 02:44:51,359
uh this usa today article

4125
02:44:54,630 --> 02:44:53,840
uh that jefferson was referencing right

4126
02:44:57,349 --> 02:44:54,640
there

4127
02:44:57,910 --> 02:44:57,359
and uh yeah that's yeah yeah could it be

4128
02:45:03,269 --> 02:44:57,920
could it be

4129
02:45:06,230 --> 02:45:03,279
interesting let's go back to the phones

4130
02:45:08,950 --> 02:45:06,240
let's see who is up next hi you're live

4131
02:45:11,670 --> 02:45:08,960
on fade to black who's calling

4132
02:45:12,469 --> 02:45:11,680
i think we got cut off or uh maybe i

4133
02:45:14,870 --> 02:45:12,479
you're

4134
02:45:16,550 --> 02:45:14,880
saying very prophetic things that you

4135
02:45:18,870 --> 02:45:16,560
needed to get out there but

4136
02:45:20,630 --> 02:45:18,880
let's say michael again i know hey say

4137
02:45:23,030 --> 02:45:20,640
michael only one call a night i

4138
02:45:25,030 --> 02:45:23,040
i said good night to you so you must

4139
02:45:25,510 --> 02:45:25,040
have hung up before i say good night my

4140
02:45:26,870 --> 02:45:25,520
friend

4141
02:45:28,950 --> 02:45:26,880
we were like halfway through a

4142
02:45:31,510 --> 02:45:28,960
conversation and it was just like

4143
02:45:32,950 --> 02:45:31,520
click done okay nothing see you got

4144
02:45:34,950 --> 02:45:32,960
computer problems or something

4145
02:45:36,230 --> 02:45:34,960
something's going on up there no no i i

4146
02:45:38,469 --> 02:45:36,240
call from a landline

4147
02:45:40,150 --> 02:45:38,479
jimmy chair yeah i don't do uh i have a

4148
02:45:42,630 --> 02:45:40,160
cell phone but i don't use it

4149
02:45:43,750 --> 02:45:42,640
because i want to talk to you and and i

4150
02:45:46,550 --> 02:45:43,760
turned my uh

4151
02:45:47,990 --> 02:45:46,560
tv off watching on youtube it's like

4152
02:45:51,110 --> 02:45:48,000
completely off

4153
02:45:52,790 --> 02:45:51,120
and i i see the video up there okay

4154
02:45:53,990 --> 02:45:52,800
i go like okay now i'm talking to jimmy

4155
02:45:55,830 --> 02:45:54,000
church what are you talking about

4156
02:45:57,269 --> 02:45:55,840
michael michael let's talk about let's

4157
02:45:58,870 --> 02:45:57,279
talk about something else instead of

4158
02:46:05,110 --> 02:45:58,880
your technical issues

4159
02:46:11,830 --> 02:46:09,030
i can only say that i always enjoy

4160
02:46:13,510 --> 02:46:11,840
everything that i hear on stage to block

4161
02:46:16,550 --> 02:46:13,520
friday night that i listen to it

4162
02:46:19,910 --> 02:46:16,560
every night right on and i'm

4163
02:46:23,590 --> 02:46:19,920
i at some points that

4164
02:46:25,990 --> 02:46:23,600
uh i'm watching a show i go like okay

4165
02:46:27,269 --> 02:46:26,000
maybe i'll give jimmy a call tonight and

4166
02:46:29,190 --> 02:46:27,279
you know what

4167
02:46:30,630 --> 02:46:29,200
i'm going to be very clear and honest

4168
02:46:34,150 --> 02:46:30,640
about this

4169
02:46:37,190 --> 02:46:34,160
every time i call and i sit on

4170
02:46:37,990 --> 02:46:37,200
hold a lot of times but i call you

4171
02:46:40,070 --> 02:46:38,000
answer

4172
02:46:41,190 --> 02:46:40,080
the phone and i'm just like oh that's

4173
02:46:43,750 --> 02:46:41,200
awesome right

4174
02:46:44,230 --> 02:46:43,760
so i say to my friends right i talked to

4175
02:46:46,950 --> 02:46:44,240
them

4176
02:46:48,469 --> 02:46:46,960
like down south in saskatchewan and

4177
02:46:51,750 --> 02:46:48,479
ontario and

4178
02:46:55,030 --> 02:46:51,760
and uh in vancouver over in that area

4179
02:46:57,830 --> 02:46:55,040
i go hey you guys don't watch it

4180
02:46:58,550 --> 02:46:57,840
because of me i've said this many times

4181
02:47:00,550 --> 02:46:58,560
to them

4182
02:47:01,590 --> 02:47:00,560
watch it because of what he says what he

4183
02:47:04,710 --> 02:47:01,600
talks about

4184
02:47:05,269 --> 02:47:04,720
all these great things especially you

4185
02:47:08,309 --> 02:47:05,279
know

4186
02:47:11,110 --> 02:47:08,319
what really got me was uh the fact when

4187
02:47:12,550 --> 02:47:11,120
you and i talked about lua elizondo when

4188
02:47:14,950 --> 02:47:12,560
you had them on the show

4189
02:47:16,230 --> 02:47:14,960
and then we talked uh thursday you had

4190
02:47:20,309 --> 02:47:16,240
them on a tuesday

4191
02:47:22,230 --> 02:47:20,319
we talked on a thursday and i agree with

4192
02:47:24,309 --> 02:47:22,240
everything you said about that i really

4193
02:47:25,590 --> 02:47:24,319
did and i thought that was kind of like

4194
02:47:29,190 --> 02:47:25,600
a kind of

4195
02:47:31,910 --> 02:47:29,200
you know what do you

4196
02:47:32,309 --> 02:47:31,920
in your opinion you already explained

4197
02:47:35,349 --> 02:47:32,319
this

4198
02:47:38,790 --> 02:47:35,359
already on a thursday night show

4199
02:47:41,349 --> 02:47:38,800
this is tuesday luol

4200
02:47:41,910 --> 02:47:41,359
zondo i don't know what are you gonna

4201
02:47:43,910 --> 02:47:41,920
say

4202
02:47:46,790 --> 02:47:43,920
what do you do you know what i believe

4203
02:47:54,389 --> 02:47:49,910
i believe what

4204
02:47:58,870 --> 02:47:57,110
my area 51. no i'm listening i'm

4205
02:48:02,950 --> 02:47:58,880
listening

4206
02:48:05,030 --> 02:48:02,960
was that area 51 no no no no no

4207
02:48:06,070 --> 02:48:05,040
okay bob lazar okay i believe what bob

4208
02:48:10,469 --> 02:48:06,080
lazar said

4209
02:48:13,110 --> 02:48:10,479
i don't believe what uh i don't believe

4210
02:48:13,670 --> 02:48:13,120
what this new guy is out there saying

4211
02:48:15,750 --> 02:48:13,680
things

4212
02:48:17,510 --> 02:48:15,760
i know who he is i know his name i don't

4213
02:48:21,429 --> 02:48:17,520
know i'm not gonna say it but

4214
02:48:24,950 --> 02:48:21,439
i believe that what uh lou

4215
02:48:25,429 --> 02:48:24,960
alessando i don't know i don't believe

4216
02:48:28,230 --> 02:48:25,439
that

4217
02:48:29,110 --> 02:48:28,240
believe it i don't believe it okay i

4218
02:48:31,269 --> 02:48:29,120
don't believe it i

4219
02:48:32,870 --> 02:48:31,279
don't believe it okay okay all right

4220
02:48:35,429 --> 02:48:32,880
well uh

4221
02:48:35,910 --> 02:48:35,439
i i don't really have any answers uh for

4222
02:48:39,110 --> 02:48:35,920
you

4223
02:48:40,870 --> 02:48:39,120
michael but uh uh yeah

4224
02:48:42,870 --> 02:48:40,880
and and that's what we do every night on

4225
02:48:45,590 --> 02:48:42,880
the show is we're trying to

4226
02:48:46,870 --> 02:48:45,600
get these answers and with that before i

4227
02:48:48,950 --> 02:48:46,880
run out of time

4228
02:48:50,630 --> 02:48:48,960
you have a great night and thank you so

4229
02:48:51,670 --> 02:48:50,640
much and we'll talk to you next time

4230
02:48:55,190 --> 02:48:51,680
thank you michael

4231
02:48:56,309 --> 02:48:55,200
st michael up in saskatchewan thank you

4232
02:48:58,710 --> 02:48:56,319
so much

4233
02:49:00,309 --> 02:48:58,720
and uh yeah i don't know i don't know i

4234
02:49:02,389 --> 02:49:00,319
don't have the answers

4235
02:49:04,790 --> 02:49:02,399
i don't i'm just chasing them i'm just

4236
02:49:07,510 --> 02:49:04,800
chasing them

4237
02:49:09,269 --> 02:49:07,520
i am just chasing the answers all right

4238
02:49:11,349 --> 02:49:09,279
let's see who's up next

4239
02:49:14,389 --> 02:49:11,359
on fade to black how you're live right

4240
02:49:19,910 --> 02:49:17,830
you're live hello yes

4241
02:49:21,750 --> 02:49:19,920
hey jimmy how are you i'm doing good

4242
02:49:25,990 --> 02:49:21,760
who's this

4243
02:49:29,269 --> 02:49:26,000
my name is siro c-i-r-o

4244
02:49:31,429 --> 02:49:29,279
okay siro where are you calling from

4245
02:49:32,630 --> 02:49:31,439
uh new jersey all right what's on your

4246
02:49:36,070 --> 02:49:32,640
mind

4247
02:49:38,469 --> 02:49:36,080
yeah man let me ask you something jimmy

4248
02:49:39,349 --> 02:49:38,479
uh because i listen to you guys on and

4249
02:49:42,630 --> 02:49:39,359
off because you know

4250
02:49:44,550 --> 02:49:42,640
time wise and everything but what

4251
02:49:46,550 --> 02:49:44,560
what is an update can you give me an

4252
02:49:49,910 --> 02:49:46,560
update what happened to those like

4253
02:49:53,590 --> 02:49:49,920
david wilcock and corey good people

4254
02:49:55,510 --> 02:49:53,600
nope just nope got no updates

4255
02:49:59,190 --> 02:49:55,520
i haven't talked to those guys and

4256
02:50:03,110 --> 02:50:01,590
yeah okay yeah i have no idea and i know

4257
02:50:06,309 --> 02:50:03,120
i know something went on but

4258
02:50:07,110 --> 02:50:06,319
i couldn't get the details on on what

4259
02:50:10,950 --> 02:50:07,120
went on

4260
02:50:12,790 --> 02:50:10,960
yeah i have no idea i really don't

4261
02:50:14,150 --> 02:50:12,800
really don't haven't heard their names

4262
02:50:16,870 --> 02:50:14,160
in a very

4263
02:50:17,910 --> 02:50:16,880
very long time but you can go and chase

4264
02:50:20,230 --> 02:50:17,920
that down if you want

4265
02:50:21,429 --> 02:50:20,240
i haven't heard anything and i don't

4266
02:50:23,349 --> 02:50:21,439
follow the drama

4267
02:50:25,670 --> 02:50:23,359
so there you go sorry i don't have an

4268
02:50:28,070 --> 02:50:25,680
answer for you

4269
02:50:29,910 --> 02:50:28,080
thanks for taking my call yeah uh a

4270
02:50:33,670 --> 02:50:29,920
message to the world

4271
02:50:36,150 --> 02:50:33,680
yes uh they go they got some ayahuasca

4272
02:50:37,190 --> 02:50:36,160
i've done it for six times everybody

4273
02:50:40,389 --> 02:50:37,200
should do that

4274
02:50:42,389 --> 02:50:40,399
dig on it all right man let's stop

4275
02:50:44,389 --> 02:50:42,399
good stuff all right go to columbia go

4276
02:50:46,790 --> 02:50:44,399
to the amazon for the rainforest

4277
02:50:48,790 --> 02:50:46,800
all right all right i'm down for that

4278
02:50:49,429 --> 02:50:48,800
i'll do it i'll do it one time cyril

4279
02:50:51,349 --> 02:50:49,439
thank you

4280
02:50:53,030 --> 02:50:51,359
so much have a good have a good night

4281
02:50:56,150 --> 02:50:53,040
out there in new jersey

4282
02:50:59,389 --> 02:50:56,160
one day one day

4283
02:51:03,510 --> 02:50:59,399
i will uh i will visit the

4284
02:51:08,150 --> 02:51:03,520
ayahuasca i will i will

4285
02:51:11,190 --> 02:51:08,160
i will visit the ayahuasca and uh

4286
02:51:11,990 --> 02:51:11,200
i'm the the thing is ayahuasca and and

4287
02:51:15,349 --> 02:51:12,000
dmt

4288
02:51:17,590 --> 02:51:15,359
you know the uh the much milder version

4289
02:51:20,870 --> 02:51:17,600
it's not milder it's just faster

4290
02:51:23,349 --> 02:51:20,880
ayahuasca that ceremony at that

4291
02:51:24,070 --> 02:51:23,359
ayahuasca ceremony and going through

4292
02:51:30,070 --> 02:51:24,080
that

4293
02:51:32,309 --> 02:51:30,080
and and there's a lot of things

4294
02:51:36,790 --> 02:51:32,319
physically that you have to deal with

4295
02:51:41,190 --> 02:51:36,800
uh when you go through that dmt

4296
02:51:45,750 --> 02:51:41,200
which i haven't done either dmt

4297
02:51:47,110 --> 02:51:45,760
is a 10 minute 15 minute thing and then

4298
02:51:51,429 --> 02:51:47,120
straight

4299
02:51:53,670 --> 02:51:51,439
so uh to save a trip

4300
02:51:55,190 --> 02:51:53,680
uh down to ecuador right or wherever

4301
02:51:58,550 --> 02:51:55,200
peru

4302
02:52:00,790 --> 02:51:58,560
um to do the ceremony and i would love

4303
02:52:02,389 --> 02:52:00,800
to do it if i'm in peru

4304
02:52:04,150 --> 02:52:02,399
and it's the right thing and the right

4305
02:52:06,070 --> 02:52:04,160
shaman in the right you know the right

4306
02:52:07,590 --> 02:52:06,080
environment because that's a commitment

4307
02:52:10,950 --> 02:52:07,600
it's got to be done right

4308
02:52:14,150 --> 02:52:10,960
i'm down for it i'm i'm cool i'll do it

4309
02:52:16,790 --> 02:52:14,160
but uh dmt is another situation

4310
02:52:17,910 --> 02:52:16,800
and uh getting in and out in 10 or 15

4311
02:52:20,469 --> 02:52:17,920
minutes

4312
02:52:21,830 --> 02:52:20,479
is something that i would like to check

4313
02:52:24,230 --> 02:52:21,840
out i'm just being straight

4314
02:52:25,990 --> 02:52:24,240
with everybody but there's another part

4315
02:52:29,590 --> 02:52:26,000
to this

4316
02:52:31,910 --> 02:52:29,600
i went uh haven't done it in a while but

4317
02:52:36,550 --> 02:52:31,920
i spent about a week

4318
02:52:39,830 --> 02:52:36,560
of reading uh different websites

4319
02:52:43,590 --> 02:52:39,840
different forums from around the world

4320
02:52:45,190 --> 02:52:43,600
uh about people's experiences with dmt

4321
02:52:47,349 --> 02:52:45,200
and what they saw and what they went

4322
02:52:48,950 --> 02:52:47,359
through i even listened to joe rogan uh

4323
02:52:50,150 --> 02:52:48,960
go through that i think he smoked it on

4324
02:52:54,830 --> 02:52:50,160
the air

4325
02:53:01,670 --> 02:52:58,469
cross-referencing everybody's experience

4326
02:53:05,349 --> 02:53:01,680
and i have to say i think

4327
02:53:07,269 --> 02:53:05,359
science hard science i think physicists

4328
02:53:09,349 --> 02:53:07,279
and especially at the quantum level that

4329
02:53:12,550 --> 02:53:09,359
want to discuss

4330
02:53:14,230 --> 02:53:12,560
uh parallel worlds other dimensions

4331
02:53:15,750 --> 02:53:14,240
you know above the four that we know

4332
02:53:18,469 --> 02:53:15,760
about right now

4333
02:53:19,670 --> 02:53:18,479
you know string theory says 11 uh

4334
02:53:23,269 --> 02:53:19,680
dimensions

4335
02:53:26,630 --> 02:53:23,279
the possibility of of a multiverse

4336
02:53:28,870 --> 02:53:26,640
and which physics is constantly

4337
02:53:30,870 --> 02:53:28,880
trying to get us to understand and and

4338
02:53:32,309 --> 02:53:30,880
realize that these are possibilities and

4339
02:53:36,389 --> 02:53:32,319
that they are being researched

4340
02:53:40,710 --> 02:53:36,399
well that's that's cool that's fine

4341
02:53:43,910 --> 02:53:40,720
but maybe dmt

4342
02:53:47,990 --> 02:53:43,920
and ayahuasca gives us

4343
02:53:51,590 --> 02:53:48,000
the ability to step into

4344
02:53:54,630 --> 02:53:51,600
and see and communicate in

4345
02:53:57,429 --> 02:53:54,640
another dimension another parallel world

4346
02:53:58,870 --> 02:53:57,439
because the uh there's a caller right

4347
02:54:00,710 --> 02:53:58,880
now that's on hold you stay right there

4348
02:54:03,910 --> 02:54:00,720
i'm gonna get to you you can hear me i'm

4349
02:54:06,070 --> 02:54:03,920
gonna get to you but maybe

4350
02:54:07,590 --> 02:54:06,080
that is what is happening because there

4351
02:54:13,990 --> 02:54:07,600
is

4352
02:54:16,389 --> 02:54:14,000
pattern patterns of what are being seen

4353
02:54:19,510 --> 02:54:16,399
too as well a consistent pattern

4354
02:54:22,710 --> 02:54:19,520
from everybody's experiences

4355
02:54:26,230 --> 02:54:22,720
where they know that they are being

4356
02:54:26,710 --> 02:54:26,240
transported into another world that is

4357
02:54:30,309 --> 02:54:26,720
not

4358
02:54:33,510 --> 02:54:30,319
this now this is an lsd this is a

4359
02:54:34,230 --> 02:54:33,520
mushrooms this isn't any type of

4360
02:54:36,389 --> 02:54:34,240
psychedelic

4361
02:54:38,550 --> 02:54:36,399
i think that there is which is you know

4362
02:54:41,750 --> 02:54:38,560
its own discussion

4363
02:54:44,469 --> 02:54:41,760
but dmt i don't think is that i don't

4364
02:54:48,070 --> 02:54:44,479
think ayahuasca is that and those that

4365
02:54:51,349 --> 02:54:48,080
do go through the ceremony

4366
02:54:54,790 --> 02:54:51,359
and do it correctly um

4367
02:54:55,990 --> 02:54:54,800
journal write down and chronicle their

4368
02:54:57,590 --> 02:54:56,000
experience and

4369
02:55:01,750 --> 02:54:57,600
you look at when you go through and you

4370
02:55:05,110 --> 02:55:04,710
and they're nearly identical they're i

4371
02:55:08,389 --> 02:55:05,120
not

4372
02:55:11,110 --> 02:55:08,399
exactly the same but 95

4373
02:55:13,190 --> 02:55:11,120
is and you can see it you can see the

4374
02:55:15,110 --> 02:55:13,200
consistency

4375
02:55:16,790 --> 02:55:15,120
you know and that's the part that i want

4376
02:55:20,790 --> 02:55:16,800
to explore

4377
02:55:24,150 --> 02:55:20,800
i do i do i i spoke to uh

4378
02:55:27,269 --> 02:55:24,160
a famous filmmaker

4379
02:55:29,429 --> 02:55:27,279
famous filmmaker

4380
02:55:30,550 --> 02:55:29,439
he told me about his dmt experience did

4381
02:55:32,790 --> 02:55:30,560
it once

4382
02:55:34,710 --> 02:55:32,800
holy crap and i said was it real dude

4383
02:55:37,990 --> 02:55:34,720
i'm telling you jimmy

4384
02:55:40,070 --> 02:55:38,000
the beings the people that that that i

4385
02:55:43,830 --> 02:55:40,080
saw and that i communicated with were

4386
02:55:46,070 --> 02:55:43,840
absolutely 100 real 100

4387
02:55:47,190 --> 02:55:46,080
and he said it scared the crap out of me

4388
02:55:49,590 --> 02:55:47,200
because

4389
02:55:50,950 --> 02:55:49,600
um i wasn't expecting that i thought it

4390
02:55:52,950 --> 02:55:50,960
was gonna be

4391
02:55:54,870 --> 02:55:52,960
something more gentle and something that

4392
02:55:58,070 --> 02:55:54,880
i could explain away

4393
02:56:01,510 --> 02:55:58,080
i went to another world

4394
02:56:02,469 --> 02:56:01,520
i saw how they lived uh it was geometric

4395
02:56:05,590 --> 02:56:02,479
in the

4396
02:56:08,950 --> 02:56:05,600
and wow wow so i said dude

4397
02:56:12,070 --> 02:56:08,960
would you do it again he said no

4398
02:56:14,230 --> 02:56:12,080
but he did it at once and and it was

4399
02:56:15,670 --> 02:56:14,240
intense all right i've got time for a

4400
02:56:18,150 --> 02:56:15,680
couple of minutes here hi you're live on

4401
02:56:20,550 --> 02:56:18,160
fade to black who's calling

4402
02:56:21,750 --> 02:56:20,560
hey jimmy this is steve slightly fun and

4403
02:56:24,950 --> 02:56:21,760
smooth how are you

4404
02:56:27,830 --> 02:56:24,960
this is steve from where

4405
02:56:30,150 --> 02:56:27,840
my pseudonym our or uh name on youtube

4406
02:56:33,030 --> 02:56:30,160
is slightly slanted sloot

4407
02:56:34,550 --> 02:56:33,040
okay all right okay good enough steve

4408
02:56:37,590 --> 02:56:34,560
slightly slanted

4409
02:56:38,630 --> 02:56:37,600
sleuth what did you think what should we

4410
02:56:41,670 --> 02:56:38,640
do with uh

4411
02:56:44,630 --> 02:56:41,680
the experiencers that uh that are

4412
02:56:47,030 --> 02:56:44,640
starting to come forward

4413
02:56:49,030 --> 02:56:47,040
well i i can i commend anybody who has

4414
02:56:49,670 --> 02:56:49,040
the courage to come forward and

4415
02:56:52,550 --> 02:56:49,680
pronounce

4416
02:56:54,070 --> 02:56:52,560
what they've experienced and uh i can

4417
02:56:57,750 --> 02:56:54,080
tell you from experience

4418
02:56:59,269 --> 02:56:57,760
that uh these things that people talk

4419
02:57:02,630 --> 02:56:59,279
about are you know

4420
02:57:06,070 --> 02:57:02,640
are to me true because i've i've had

4421
02:57:09,750 --> 02:57:06,080
similar types of like uh sleep paralysis

4422
02:57:10,389 --> 02:57:09,760
and whatnot but i i have to commend the

4423
02:57:13,830 --> 02:57:10,399
woman that

4424
02:57:16,309 --> 02:57:13,840
you had on for being a therapist or or

4425
02:57:18,790 --> 02:57:16,319
trying to help these people with ptsd

4426
02:57:20,710 --> 02:57:18,800
and and brain trauma because there's not

4427
02:57:22,710 --> 02:57:20,720
enough people in our world that do that

4428
02:57:23,990 --> 02:57:22,720
and you could you could just feel the

4429
02:57:27,510 --> 02:57:24,000
love soothing

4430
02:57:29,990 --> 02:57:27,520
out of her for humanity and we need that

4431
02:57:31,510 --> 02:57:30,000
and i i commend you for having her on

4432
02:57:34,830 --> 02:57:31,520
yeah yeah thank you for that steve

4433
02:57:37,269 --> 02:57:34,840
and i and and i did get a chance this

4434
02:57:39,510 --> 02:57:37,279
week uh which is rare

4435
02:57:40,710 --> 02:57:39,520
you know to have to be able to spend

4436
02:57:44,230 --> 02:57:40,720
four five six

4437
02:57:47,910 --> 02:57:44,240
uh days and uh you know we

4438
02:57:50,309 --> 02:57:47,920
uh uh our group uh that we had together

4439
02:57:51,830 --> 02:57:50,319
uh being able to go out and and just sit

4440
02:57:55,429 --> 02:57:51,840
down and talk

4441
02:57:58,790 --> 02:57:55,439
and her compassion her commitment

4442
02:58:02,070 --> 02:57:58,800
uh to this community and and

4443
02:58:05,510 --> 02:58:02,080
and what she is trying to achieve and

4444
02:58:08,309 --> 02:58:05,520
and and her personal investment into all

4445
02:58:08,550 --> 02:58:08,319
all of this we need to thank her man and

4446
02:58:12,710 --> 02:58:08,560
and

4447
02:58:13,190 --> 02:58:12,720
chance to meet her you're going to go up

4448
02:58:15,190 --> 02:58:13,200
and

4449
02:58:17,830 --> 02:58:15,200
who you thought you heard today is who

4450
02:58:20,870 --> 02:58:17,840
you are going to meet

4451
02:58:23,990 --> 02:58:20,880
absolutely genuine and she is just yeah

4452
02:58:25,030 --> 02:58:24,000
she's just authentic yeah yeah oh she's

4453
02:58:28,150 --> 02:58:25,040
real cool man

4454
02:58:30,469 --> 02:58:28,160
she's real cool real cool so

4455
02:58:31,429 --> 02:58:30,479
hey hey i've got one request for you

4456
02:58:33,190 --> 02:58:31,439
jimmy sure

4457
02:58:34,469 --> 02:58:33,200
i've got a video that you need to look

4458
02:58:36,550 --> 02:58:34,479
at and it's called

4459
02:58:38,469 --> 02:58:36,560
sunrunner offshoot and it's on my

4460
02:58:40,389 --> 02:58:38,479
channel it's 45 seconds

4461
02:58:42,389 --> 02:58:40,399
i'm not monetized at all i'm not trying

4462
02:58:43,030 --> 02:58:42,399
to promote myself i just want you to see

4463
02:58:46,150 --> 02:58:43,040
it

4464
02:58:47,670 --> 02:58:46,160
so you can uh uh um

4465
02:58:49,429 --> 02:58:47,680
i don't know tell me what you think

4466
02:58:50,469 --> 02:58:49,439
about it and tell the public what you

4467
02:58:53,269 --> 02:58:50,479
think about it it's

4468
02:58:54,309 --> 02:58:53,279
it's 45 seconds of what the hell and i

4469
02:58:56,790 --> 02:58:54,319
filmed it and it was

4470
02:58:58,230 --> 02:58:56,800
a weird circumstance where i just felt

4471
02:58:59,590 --> 02:58:58,240
something was going to be there it was

4472
02:59:01,910 --> 02:58:59,600
there it was just weird and

4473
02:59:03,670 --> 02:59:01,920
you know won't go into any details but

4474
02:59:04,870 --> 02:59:03,680
you should check it out sun runner off

4475
02:59:07,190 --> 02:59:04,880
shoot on my channel

4476
02:59:09,190 --> 02:59:07,200
okay somebody uh one of the fader knots

4477
02:59:10,790 --> 02:59:09,200
pop that up in twitter for me so i can

4478
02:59:11,590 --> 02:59:10,800
check it out before i leave the bunker

4479
02:59:14,630 --> 02:59:11,600
tonight

4480
02:59:16,790 --> 02:59:14,640
and with that steve thank you so much

4481
02:59:18,070 --> 02:59:16,800
and everybody over in the youtube chat

4482
02:59:19,670 --> 02:59:18,080
you guys are amazing

4483
02:59:21,349 --> 02:59:19,680
uh thank you so much steve and we'll see

4484
02:59:23,110 --> 02:59:21,359
you tomorrow night

4485
02:59:25,110 --> 02:59:23,120
all right bro thanks bye have a good

4486
02:59:26,870 --> 02:59:25,120
night and with that i got to get out of

4487
02:59:30,230 --> 02:59:26,880
here what a great night on the show

4488
02:59:32,950 --> 02:59:30,240
n.k cranda and uh just

4489
02:59:34,950 --> 02:59:32,960
absolutely amazing conversation fade to

4490
02:59:36,389 --> 02:59:34,960
black's executive producers rita

4491
02:59:39,269 --> 02:59:36,399
kumarian

4492
02:59:41,349 --> 02:59:39,279
show is produced by hilton j palm rene

4493
02:59:43,670 --> 02:59:41,359
dennis and kevin

4494
02:59:46,150 --> 02:59:43,680
announcers are steve harter gene vettel

4495
02:59:47,429 --> 02:59:46,160
and mark d kovar webmaster is drew the

4496
02:59:51,309 --> 02:59:47,439
geek

4497
02:59:53,030 --> 02:59:51,319
music doug aldridge intro spaceboy

4498
02:59:55,269 --> 02:59:53,040
spaceboymusic.com

4499
02:59:57,389 --> 02:59:55,279
beta black is produced by kjcr for the

4500
02:59:58,630 --> 02:59:57,399
game changer network and syndication is

4501
03:00:02,309 --> 02:59:58,640
kgra

4502
03:00:04,870 --> 03:00:02,319
the planet this broadcast is own

4503
03:00:06,710 --> 03:00:04,880
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4504
03:00:08,790 --> 03:00:06,720
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4505
03:00:09,990 --> 03:00:08,800
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4506
03:00:11,910 --> 03:00:10,000
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4507
03:00:13,349 --> 03:00:11,920
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4508
03:00:15,030 --> 03:00:13,359
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4509
03:00:15,510 --> 03:00:15,040
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4510
03:00:18,630 --> 03:00:15,520
church

4511
03:00:22,870 --> 03:00:18,640
tomorrow night right here trey hudson

4512
03:00:25,269 --> 03:00:22,880
the meadow project our third first time

4513
03:00:27,910 --> 03:00:25,279
guest this week here on fade to black

4514
03:00:29,429 --> 03:00:27,920
on the game changer network and kgr a

4515
03:00:31,830 --> 03:00:29,439
the planet else we see

4516
03:00:33,590 --> 03:00:31,840
everybody tomorrow night until then be

4517
03:00:39,100 --> 03:00:33,600
safe

4518
03:00:49,620 --> 03:00:39,110
it's time to fade to black